Thanks for the reply Otay.
Cheers
Mooneemick
Thanks for the reply Otay.
Cheers
Mooneemick
I have an older Firewire and have had no probs with delams or dings. I sent it into the rocks in El Sal last month and it only came away with a couple of scratches. I barely have any pressure dings after over a year of use. With PU boards, I usually get pressure dings on the first sesh. I have noticed that the latest Firewires are heavier and look different. It seems like they are always changing construction techniques without notice. Maybe you got a bad batch.
I stripped the wax of my trusty GSI epoxy Bonga Perkins a couple of days ago and after 8 months of surfing it as my main board in any sized waves I encountered in that time how was the deck holding up?
It looked like a new board.
One 5 cent piece sized indent in the deck.
Their technology works for me.
Hi Moonee,
I’m repeating this from a previous thread on the same subject…
The mechanism of EPS expansion is often misunderstood, and needs to be clarified. It is not the air in the blank that is expanding! Solid polystyrene density is 65.1 lbs/cu-ft. In the expanded form of 2 lb/cu-ft, only 3% of the volume is actually plastic, and about 97% is CO2 blowing gas and some air in the bead gaps. There is more CO2 than air, and it is far more reactive to temperature than air. Therefore by its formulation, it is each bead of EPS that is expanding. At a small temperature increase, the volume change of the blank is absorbed by the air spaces between the beads. At higher increases in temperature, the air gaps are maxed out and the blank volume overall must increase. If vented, the air now under higher pressure (because of the bead squeezing) maintains some gaps between beads and has a place to exit. This allows an EPS volume change without an overall change in the blank. It doesn’t matter if it is extruded, hot molded, or compression molded; all reasonable densities of EPS are over 85% gas. Also, bead size has more to do with unlaminated breaking strength than thermal expansion. Boards that have D-cell laminations (like Surftech) often do not experience delamination from core expansion as readily as conventional cloth laminations. This is because the high density D-cell acts as a thermal insulating barrier to short duration external thermal loads. To be sure, we’re not talking about very long durations either, especially in cases of solar loading. Time-related thermal stuff (transient analysis) is very complicated (and unpredictable) since it is non-uniform heating. This why some people will report that they left boards in very hot cars for a long period without a problem, while others will get a full delam after an hour drive with the board on the roof on a hot sunny day.
This holds true for any board constructed of EPS - Compsand, Surftech, Boardworks, Straight glass-laminated, whatever. Many statements have been made on this forum that EPS somehow becomes inert as a result of the processing. This is impossible.
Back to Occ’s original FireWire problem; just take it back. It doesn’t matter if it’s water, bad construction, bad materials, whatever. If they say it’s your fault, ask them to tell you what the failure mode was. Post again and let us know what happened. We can help you if they gave you a fake technical excuse why the warranty wasn’t honored.
Paul i think your quite right there i had a firewire for 4 months and on the heavy traffic areas had that problem. The glass gave up its bond didn’t realise it was that weak it keept flexing finaly cracked sucked water in the whole tail fill with water. Took over a month to dry had to tape a Vac to it dig all the dead foam out and just filled it with Qcell glassed it back up its been fine since but $1200 nzd and 4 months use yeah not cool.
Fire wire gave me a replacement board and i brought the old board off them for next to nothing. However the replacement (a 5’6 Dominator) was so bad to ride i have to sell it…(for much less than the purchase price.
Lesson is Don’t touch Firewires. as i read on another site if your paying more for a board it should last longer and they don’t
Glaucus
Your Pu was high integrity surfboard specific urethane - not too many viewers here would understand what a Burford blank is.
MF
Bill and I are constantly making references to learning from all the teeth in our asses over the years, you either learn from your mistakes or your doomed, I got real tired of being bitten on the ass all the time
Thanks Bill
who ever this asshole is needs to get locked stat.
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