Pros vs Cons Of Shortboarding

I’m starting a new series at SurfScience about the pros and cons of various surfboard models.  The goal is to help people realize that not every board is a good fit for every surfer and that we as surfers should choose baords based on what we will have the most fun on rather than because we think one board is cool or in style.

 

To start this off I tackled shortboards as they are the most popular right now.  We’ve all seen kids try to learn to surf on a 6’ Pro replica board and we all know how that ends up, so my goal was to help point them in the right direction.

 

The two articles that look at pros & cons are:

http://www.surfscience.com/topics/types-of-surfboard/shortboard/why-you-shouldnt-shortboard/

http://www.surfscience.com/topics/types-of-surfboard/shortboard/why-you-should-shortboard/

 

I know there are a lot of opinions, preferences and biases out there, but looking at just the facts about the boards and their performance, did I miss anything major?

Pro:

They are short.

Con:

They are not long.

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Key Dilema: opinions, preferences and biases ARE the facts.

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Key Dilema: opinions, preferences and biases ARE the facts.

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I agree...the 'variables' are the facts.

As I read through the cons of short boarding (2ft and rolling) I thought ummmm for me that's a day for my 5'6 mini simmons @ old mans or church. But that's just my opinion/preference. The longest board I own is a 6'4 singlefin spacecake yet my quiver is set to handle almost all conditions and I'm 6'2 190. I do not own a thruster or pro model quad (don't fit my style). The beauty of surfing is the fact that it is a sport where there ARE so many options to meet an individual's style. I do think educating beginners on some of the differences is a good thing though but is best handled in person by a friend or a good instructor.

True to an extent.  Preference has a lot to do with it, but I guess what I mean more was giving the pros/cons in an objectionable way so that someone could form their own opinion rather than trying to sway them one way or the other.  For instance: shortboards duckdive easier, but are more difficult to catch small & slow rolling wave with.

I like the comment about riding a mini simmons in the 2ft & rolling.  The cool thing is when its small like that you have options, mini simmons, retro fish, log, SUP, Tom Blake paddle board, etc.  The one type of board that just really doesn’t work is the high performance short board.

Thanks for the help guys, I appreciate it.

This was posted by madprofessor on Sept16, 2009. In reply to Mr “Surfscience”

The biggest con to shortboarding is lineups that are now crowded with over aggro guys using longboards as a wavecatching crutch.  That has taken alot of the fun out of shortboarding. 

I'm pretty bitter right now.  We had a great swell today but only a couple spots were holding it.  Well overhead and offshore.  Mid Morning weekday, 45 degree water.....apparently nobody works anymore cause every spot was crowded.  A half dozen middle aged longboarders sitting 20 yards further out and paddling their asses off to get in way early.  Being total ignorant wave hogs and ruining it for everyone else.  These guys could just as easily have sat in the lineup with everyone else and waited their turn and taken off side by side with everyone else in the lineup.  I have no respect for people like that.

Just because you can sit 20 yards further out and get in 5 yards earlier by paddling your log like its your last day on earth, doesn't mean you have to.  If you are in a mixed crowd you will get alot more respect if you sit in with the shortboarders and take off in the same zone. 

The local longboarder I respect the most is an older guy who never uses the paddling advantage a longboard could give him to make an ass out of himself.  He sits with everyone else in the lineup and when a wave comes his way he gets in position, sinks his board as the wave comes, takes two or three strokes as the wave jacks and takes off.  You will never see this guy flailing to get into a wave.  His technique is effortless and he doesn't have to ruin every one else's session around him.

Food for thought.  Sorry for the rant but I had a bad day in the water today.  Guys like I encountered today give all longboarders a black eye.

There no cons to short boarding. If you are under 55 and can’t ride a short board, you shouldn’t be surfing. A short board doesn’t mean the little chips that pros ride, it can have some meat to it for someone who doesn’t paddle like a 20 year old. I was out at Makaha years ago surfing the bowl with George Downing. The waves were breaking out at the point, but it wasn’t coming in as much as the Bowl. George wasn’t riding a long board, he was riding one of his George Downing models, a bigger short board, and he was well over 55 at the time.

Short boards allow a surfer a lot more freedom to ride waves of all sizes with a lot more control. If the waves are only up to your knees, and there are only long boards in the water, maybe it’s not a good day to surf.

Choice of board size is personal, but to ride a longboard because you want more waves is a problem with surfing today. Another big problem is that people are out in the water on longboards in places they shouldn’t be. 

I surfed Waikiki this weekend with a couple hundred others in waves that were barely head high. The mix was classic Waikiki, complete beginners, local kids, middle age guys on mini mals, old guys on big long boards, SUPs, chicks, and the usual skinny kid on a nose rider trying to catch every wave that comes by. I went left if the other guy wanted the right, rode behind kids and girls, it was all good, and I had fun. I even let waves go for the kids and the old men. If you let the crowds get to you, it will eat you away. I usually try to paddle off to the opposite side when things get like that, maybe take off behind the long board wave hog, and just cruise along. I find that wave count is not important, having fun and getting the most out of the ones you do catch matters.

surfscience.com in my opinion represents everything that is wrong with surfing and society in general today.  you dont learn about surfing and the ocean by reading this sort of dribble on the internet.  surfscience represents and caters to the incessant need for instant gratification so prevelant today.  What happened to the days when you learned to surf by buying a board (and wetsuit where neccessary) paddeling out at your local break and taking your lumps until you got the hang of it?  You learn by trial and error what boards work for you and what boards dont.  If you act out of line in the water either the locals or the ocean itself will smack you around a little and teach you your place in the line-up.  Learning by doing.  Not this learning by proxy crap that I see everywhere these days.  I’m not against learning from others at all, but if you want to learn from those who are more experienced than seek those individuals out, develop a friendship and earn some respect and the “secrets of the temple” will be revealed.  You dont do it by logging on to some lame website and reading some op-ed articles from some guy who claims to be a surf scientist.  Sorry that I sound so bitter but it just seems to me that nothing is sacred anymore- everything is for sale.  While this trend has been evident for a long time in other aspects of (particularly American) society it is saddening and disheartening to see it seeping into the realm of surfing (I know surfscience is not the first of its kind and many of the major publications offer the same sort of “info” but i was looking around on the website and tried to post a comment there but it held it up for “approval”  from the web masters.  At least here I can speak my mind.).

 

Thanks for that sways. 

Peace,

KOOK out

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100% agree with swayKOOK. The intenet is filled with self-appointed experts who have no business dispensing ‘knowledge’ to those who are even less informed.  I’d say that there’s a good half dozen, or more, posters on this forum who are far more qualified as surf ‘scientists’. Their knowledge is deep enough to know that surfing is not a ‘science’ and the term is silly.

The current trend to be spoon fed things that were typically learned by trial and error, and just doing, is also reflected in the proliferation of so-called surfing ‘instructors’. I have seen too many people giving surfing lessons who should be TAKING lessons, not GIVING them. But, the typical novice is misled into thinking that someone who can merely stand and go straight knows how to “surf”.

Auwe.

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, is also reflected in the proliferation of so-called surfing 'instructors'. I have seen too many people giving surfing lessons who should be TAKING lessons, not GIVING them. But, the typical novice is misled into thinking that someone who can merely stand and go straight knows how to "surf".

Auwe.

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Don't get me started on the phenomenon of "Surf Lessons".  Pisses me off to no end.  Money grubbing surfshops hogging local surf spots with 50 tourists giving lessons so they can sell them crap sponge longboards.  After a lesson or two these kooks paddle out thinking they are surfers and clog every break in town.  We even had an operation at the end of my street last summer running a "Surf School" for stand up paddleboarding. MFers!!!!!

 

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100% agree with swayKOOK. The intenet is filled with self-appointed experts who have no business dispensing 'knowledge' to those who are even less informed. 

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Including me, though I fake it well -

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I'd say that there's a good half dozen, or more, posters on this forum who are far more qualified as surf 'scientists'. Their knowledge is deep enough to know that surfing is not a 'science' and the term is silly.

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 And one who is and has been for some time the only guy I know of who has been doing science as applied to surfing, though I'm happy to see people likeBenjaminThomson starting to do more....but I digress.

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The current trend to be spoon fed things that were typically learned by trial and error, and just doing, is also reflected in the proliferation of so-called surfing 'instructors'. I have seen too many people giving surfing lessons who should be TAKING lessons, not GIVING them. But, the typical novice is misled into thinking that someone who can merely stand and go straight knows how to "surf".

Auwe.

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A short digression into surf lessons -

I'll confess, back when I was running a surf shop, I did lessons. But not in the water. Here's how they went, and I do have that whole riff memorised after at least two decades of repeating it pretty much verbatim several times a day.

(talking to the parental unit who comes into the surf shop with kid in tow)

"Uhmm, yes m'am, I can do lessons at the beach, but do you wanna pay me $50 per hour to scream at your kid? I didn't think so. Look, there's three parts to learning how to use a surfboard. Trying to get 'em all at once is hard, learning 'em one at a time is easy and fun. And I can get you started right here, no charge. If you really want to get ripped off, well, okay, but I'm not gonna do it to you.  "

(talking to the wanna be surfer)

"Now, this is how you learn how to use a surfboard. I go through it pretty quick, I've done this a lot, so don't hesitate to ask questions.

There's three parts to it, like I said. One hard, one in the middle and one easy. Try them all at once, you'll crash and burn, get nowhere and you'll hate it. Do it my way, you'll have fun and do well, okay? Good.

First, learn waves and the ocean. That's the hard part. You do that with a boogie board and a pair of fins. You learn how to paddle out, where to paddle out, where NOT to paddle out. You learn what waves to catch, which ones to avoid,You learn what to do with a wave once you've got it: where to go, where and when to turn, where not to turn.

And very importantly, you learn the rules. Surf etiquette. The wave is breaking, okay? Somebody is between that and you. It's their wave. You hear a lot of cr@p about who stands up first. Forget it, it's who is closest to where the wave is breaking.  

Stay out of other people's way. When you finish with your wave, paddle back out, okay, but not right through where other people are trying to surf, where the wave is breaking. It's courtesy, right? Good.  "

(stop for questions)

"Awright, now, for the not-so hard part. Turning a surfboard. You ever spent time on a skateboard, or better yet a snowboard? Good, you know how already. If you haven't, start now, and there you have it.

I get lots of people come in here and tell me that they can stand up. Okay, big whoopie. Did Mom take your picture before you fell off? Standing up is meaningless if you can't turn and do something with the wave, okay? Good.  "

(another stop for questions)

"Right, the easy part. Standing up. Here's how you learn that. Take your trusty boogie board out into the back yard, where nobody will see you and point and laugh.

Practice going from lying down paddling to on your feet in one quick move, none of this one-knee-two-knees, one-knee-one-foot jazz. You see, you've caught a wave, you want to be up and turning right away, and while you're getting up you're completely out of control. You crash and burn. You wanna be up and turning real fast, right? You watch the people at the beach trying to surf and where do they blow it? Trying to stand up, right? This is what you do to get it right.

Okay, boogie board out in the back yard. Lie on it, Now ( demonstrating with a handy boogie board) you want to go from lying down to your feet in one shot like this. See how my front foot is where my sternum( pointing) was? Put some masking tape on the boogie board there, shoot for that. You want your feet about as far apart as your shoulders are wide, knees bent a little like on a mountain bike, to soak up the bumps and all. It's like a karate position, right??

Feet too close together, you fall over, too far apart and you can't turn, you're awkward, right? Good. Practice until you can do it without thinking, so it's a reflex. Then fifty more, 'cos you know you're gonna think about it and mess up.

That's it, that's your surf lesson. Can I have my $150 now? Naaah, this is free, now go and take your boogie board and learn the ocean, awright? And come back for a board when you have some time in. Don't hesitate to come back and ask questions, that's why I'm here. "

And I did that for ...wow...quarter of a century. Nobody ever came back and told me I was wrong. Lots came back and said thanks. And I would have people come over to me in the water years later and say thanks. I guess it worked.

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If you are under 55 and can't ride a short board, you shouldn't be surfing......

Choice of board size is personal, but to ride a longboard because you want more waves is a problem with surfing today. Another big problem is that people are out in the water on longboards in places they shouldn't be. 

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Oh yeah, and on days they shouldn't be. Greed, incompetence and cluttering up the break. Busting boards. And a big board, some places, is dangerous, bowling for swimmers. When they get on a wave and don't lose it, they dribble along on the shoulder,  ruin the rest of the wave for somebody competent who could be coming along where it's a little challenging .

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I surfed Waikiki this weekend with a couple hundred others in waves that were barely head high. The mix was classic Waikiki, complete beginners, local kids, middle age guys on mini mals, old guys on big long boards, SUPs, chicks, and the usual skinny kid on a nose rider trying to catch every wave that comes by. I went left if the other guy wanted the right, rode behind kids and girls, it was all good, and I had fun. I even let waves go for the kids and the old men. If you let the crowds get to you, it will eat you away. I usually try to paddle off to the opposite side when things get like that, maybe take off behind the long board wave hog, and just cruise along. I find that wave count is not important, having fun and getting the most out of the ones you do catch matters.

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But, if I may, that's Waikiki. You can get away with it there, it's that kind of wave. But there's places, most in fact, where you can't do that. And these jokers that want the most waves, wayull..... if count is that important to 'em, maybe they oughtta be golfers or something.

Probably they have the wave numbers fixation to compensate for shortcomings in other areas. The longboard fixation seems similar.

Like sharkcountry says, 'having fun and getting the most out of the ones you do catch' is what matters.

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wow...the internet....most how to surf sites could have a banner that says "no real surfers need read this drivel".

Swaylock's is of course the exception.  There's a lot of wisdom here and I've learned a few things from this thread. 

Thanks mako224 for the comment...I admit that on crowded days I have occasionally paddled out to get in earlier, I'll watch that behavior in the future because I don't want to be "that guy".  How can you enjoy a wave knowing that you've purposely burned others?

Might as well hijack this off into ''surf schools'' and related nonsense....

A guy I know started one of the first ones, he did it right, IMO. Not affiliated with any shop, all the ''students'' were little kids, he hired good surfers as instructors, taught the kids ocean knowledge first, etc. Shops doing it as a ''profit center'' have polluted the concept beyond repair.

I prefer the old way. I learned pre-leash, so I got pretty good at paddling and swimming before I could stand up and turn. (I would paddle out, wipe out on a takeoff, swim in; repeat. Finally I figured out that maybe I should just move in and ride some soup, LOL) When I started surfing at a known ''spot'' I endured the grom abuse and listened to the tips meted out by the local heavies. There was order in the line-up. I learned the rules or else. Justice was swift if someone was out of line. The guys I looked up to led by example.

I've seen things break down into chaos over the last 15 years or so. Clueless idiots that express indignation (or threaten litigation) when informed of the ''rules''. Or they use the classic ''I didn't see you'' line. Well, they might try looking.

 

I actually agree with you.  I think it would be much better to learn from a guy that had been around.  Heck we would all love to be Rick Kane, learning from Chandler.  But the fact of the matter is, every month, between 2,000 - 3,000 people Google the phrase, “how to wax a surfboard”.  How many of them have you taught this month?

We are really proud of our how to wax a surfboard article.  Of course it won’t help you, it isn’t targeted at you.  You have been waxing a surfboard for years, but other guys are just starting.  They are sitting at home with a stick of wax and a new board wondering what to do.  Unfortunatley the kid working at the clothing store/ surf shop down the block didn’t teach them a thing.  Our article gives more inormation to a new surfer than any other site on the internet about how to wax a surfboard.

We don’t claim to know everything.  We interview people that know more.  Marko Foam to talk about EPS blanks, Sticky Bumps & Bubble Gum to talk about wax, WQS & WCT coaches to talk about shortboarding tricks, shapers to talk about design.  90% of our content comes from interviews, conversations and demonstrations.  We don’t claim to know everything.  Like it says on our about us page, we’re just average guys that love surfing and who are recording everything we learn on a website so others can benefit from our leg work.

When we stip SurfScience.com back to its most basic goal, it is to help new-intermediate surfers make better use of their limited time in the water by helping explain concepts they can pay attention to when they are out there.  People have to start surfing at some point.  We were all kooks at some point.  Most of them go out for a lesson and then spend the whole night reading on the internet, that is the nature of today’s society.  You can complain, or you can help.  We choose to help.

Why don’t you start a new series about
how to choose a good local shaper who can make you a custom board? An actual shaper who can accurately translate your needs and preferences-- instead of some trendy pre-made off-the-rack board?

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Too many articles written by amatuers who are represented as being ‘scientists’???. Of course a strong editor with a strong surfing, design/hydrodynamic background could fix all that but thats not occuring. The site is essentially a fraud and serves more as a marketing vehicle than anything else.

 

 

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