Question about funboard/egg rocker

I’m about to shape an 8’0" funboard/egg and am a bit uncertain about what type of rocker I should be going for.  So I thought I’d reach out to the swaylocks community for a litle guidance.  Any advice would be appreciated.

I’ll start with a bit of background about what I’m trying to acheive with this board.  I live in so cal and surf points and reefs almost exclusively.  My main board for years has been a 9’8" single fin noserider with 50/50 rails.  The focus of my surfing has been noseriding, triming, and smooth arcing turns.  Lately, I’ve been riding shorter boards and focusing more on riding from the tail.  

I’ve spent the past few months riding an 8’0" mini longboard with a 2 + 1 set up.  I’ve been having a lot of fun on the board.  It paddles and catches waves well, and I can whip it around a bit.  The plan shape is basically that of a small longboard with a square tail.  The rocker is 3 3/8" in the tail and 3 7/8" in the nose.  The rails on the tail, while being relatively hard down, don’t have a crisp edge, and the rails through the middle are soft and eggy.  Also, it has a relatively neutral bottom – no concaves with a very subtle vee in the tail.  

The problem I have with the board is that I don’t feel much projection when I push off the tail, and it doesn’t track on higher lines as solidly as I’d like.  It feels like it kind of wants to trim, cruise, and do glentle turns.  I’ve experimented with a lot of different center fins and placements, so I’m satisfied it’s not a fin issue.  I’d like to shape a board that is more high performance.  I’m thinking it should have more of a performance down rail (I’ve enjoyed riding boards with a Brewer type rail) with a crisp edge in the tail and a signle concave to spiral vee.  I’m also planning on having a 2+1 setup.  I want to feel solid projection when I push off the tail, track and pump on higher lines, and be able to whip it around fairly agressively.  I plan on surfing this board in better waves (shoulder to overhead).  I’m going to go for a square or squash tail and a more pulled in nose, which comes to a suble point.  Also, I want to maintain a fairly full egg like plan shape.  I’m trying to stay away from shaping a full on big guy tri.

So that long introduction brings me to my question.  I see that with stock blanks there are two principal types of rocker profile:  (1) a higher tail / lower nose rocker, which is in the 3" range in the tail and 3"-4" range in the nose (such as the US Blanks 8’0" or 8’3" H); and (2) the lower tail / higher nose type rocker which is in the 2" range in the tail and 5"-6" range in the nose (such as the US Blanks 8’1"EA, 8’2"A, or Arctic Foam 8’2"E).  I’d like some advice about which type of rocker profile would be best suited for what I’m going for.  Also, I’m not averse to ording a blank with a non-stock rocker.  

I’m particularly curious about the tail rocker.  My sense is that I’d like more nose rocker than my current 8’0" has.  As for tail rocker, I’m not really sure whether I should be going for a lower tail rocker or something in the 3" range.  My hunch is that the Arctic Foam 8’2" E, with 2 1/2" in the tail and 5 1/4" in the nose is the right choice, but I’m not certain.              

Thanks in advance for all thoughts and adivce, and apologies for the somewhat lengthy post.            

 

 

4" nose 1.5" tail

“The problem I have with the board is that I don’t feel much projection when I push off the tail, and it doesn’t track on higher lines as solidly as I’d like.”

 

 

Although it pretty much sounds like you already know what you want, the above objective (and the previous description of your riding style) sounds like a job for a bonzer.

 

Scroll down this link for bonzer egg info…  Surfy Surfy: bonzer

Sounds like a typical problem when switching from a nearly 10 foot longboard to a mini-mal.  What kind of fin did the 9'8" single fin have?  How heavy was it?  Flat rocker with belly?  All of those factors often combine in a longboard to make for a much different feel than what you're likely going to obtain from an 8 footer.  Weight, big fin, and a long rail line can make for a solid drivey feel that is impossible to match with a board nearly 2 feet shorter.

Low rocker and bonzer setup as Matt and llilibel suggest might help.  You might also take a look at something along the lines of Parmenter's 'Stubb Vector', Patagonia's 'Rocket Sled', or Deadshaper's (Bruce Fowler) 'Stoker-Vees'... they all seem to do a great job of combining various hi-perf components on hybrid boards.  Not sure if they fall too close to your "Big Guy Tri" category? 

http://www.surfysurfy.net/2008/03/stoker-v-machine.html

http://www.fcdsurfboards.com/2007/12/rocket-sled.html

 

 

 

Consider for an Egg, 3.75"N  2.75"T rockers, forward vee (not just in the back third) Quad. For taking it into steeper waves.

What you are suggesting doesn't sound like an Egg. The previous advice is good for a longer short board.

[quote="$1"]  My hunch is that the Arctic Foam 8'2" E, with 2 1/2" in the tail and 5 1/4" in the nose is the right choice, but I'm not certain.              

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I know there are gonna be different opinions on this, so just consider this one more.  I think the rocker you are describing would work well for the board you are planning.  I have a few boards in the 7'6" range, and they all have about 4 - 4.5" in the nose, about 2" rocker in the tail, and work well on So. Cal. reef / point waves, which is what I mainly surf.  The rocker is mostly gradual, which I think is typical of most modern boards, IIRC its the old school boards that used to have flat-ish rocker through the middle with an elf shoe in the nose.

As far as the bonzer comment - I have a 7-6 five fin bonzer egg-ish board, that works well with the rocker I described, I don't think you would be disappointed with one.  Read Burnsie's reviews for more info http://oldguysrip.blogspot.com/2007/10/76-campbell-5-fin-bonzer.html

Thanks everyone for the comments so far.  

llilibel, you’re spot on.  I actually do have a mid length campbell bros bonzer egg in my quiver and love it.  I do also really like the way 2+1s and tris ride, so I’m looking to find a good mid length to fill that spot.

Matt and Tblank, your suggestions on rockers are helpful.  Sounds like a lower tail rocker is the way to go.  Tblank I know what you mean about what I’m describing not sounding like a typical egg.  I’m sort of thinking I’d like to try to split the difference between an egg and a big guy try.  I’m a little shy about going to a quad becuase I haven’t spent much time riding them.  I suppose it would make sense to borrow a friend’s quad and spend a little time riding one in some different conditions.

Johnmellor, the boards you receommend are super cool.  I was actually thinking of a plan shape along the lines of a stoker v or hobie mini bird.  As for what I’ve been riding, it’s not super heavy, but being 9’8" it’s not super light either.  I don’t recall the exact dimensions, but I think it’s in the neighborhood of 23 wide, 18 nose, 15 1/4 tail, and 3 1/8 thick.   It’s a diamond tail.  It has concave in the nose that transitions to flat bottom with some vee off the tail.  The rocker is sort of a contemporary noserider rocker.  It has a fair bit of tail kick in the last 12" and a little more nose rocker than a lot of traditional noseriders.  I ride it with a 9.75" heritage fin.  It’s a super fast, glidey board and the heritage fin has a lot of drive.  I’m not particularly trying to recreate that feel in a shorter board.  I’m kind of trying to come up with something that I can pump and drive pretty hard off the tail and whip around.  I suppose the sensible thing would be to just go to a standard short board thruster when the waves get good.  But I’m one of those guys who’s probably spent too much time on longboards and find it hard to transition back to short boards.         

Thanks Huckleberry, seems like there’s a consensus so far is that I should go with less rocker in the tail.  Yeah, the 5 fin bonzer is an awesome design.  To me, my bonzer has a pretty unique feel that is closer to a single fin than a 2+1 or tri.  I really like my bonzer, but I also really dig the feel of a 2+1 or tri.  I guess the deep backstory here is that I’ve ridden my 9’8" about 99% of the time for the past several years.  Lately, I’ve been in a bit of a funk riding a lot of different boards (different lenghts, fin set ups, etc) trying to find a shorter board that I just click with.  I think I started to miss riding shorter boards and felt like I needed to round out my skill set a bit, rather than focusing on noseriding and walking the board all the time.  I still ride my longboard, but I’ve been riding it only in smaller conditions.         

keep the egg idea, but switch it around, so your tail is wider than the nose. Not much. maybe an inch difference, or even the same, and bring the widepoint back behind centre slightly. This is my 7'10'' thingy. It is a 2+1, but setup as a thruster ( always surf it like this basically ) it feels much much shorter, and i can bring it right around back to the foam, even in head high waves. In under waist high i surf it with just an 8'' dolphin fin, and sometimes i'll surf a flexy 7 1/2'' and small sides. Thruster is the most performance type setup. I have cranked some great bottom to top turns on this board with this setup. Super fun board. Still trims if i get forward too.

Much more "loose" than my 9'1''

 

7'10'' x 15+ Nose x 22 x 15+ tail x 3.

 

 

What’s the rocker on that 7’10" measure up to, beerfan? You don’t have a rocker pic laying around do you…?

Digging around thinking about a funboard for a guy i know…

Few years ago I had Malcolm shape me a 7’10 x 21.5 Cambell bonzer egg, rocker he put in was N 5.5, T 2.5, thought the rocker perfect.  it has been followed by a series of similar 7’6 to 8’0 eggs/big guy/fun guns (pick a noun), running 2+1, quads and tris.  Tried different rocker combo’s N 5" to 6", tail 2" to 3". 

Found the magic rocker for me continues to be the 5.5" N, 2.5" tail.  Plenty of drive, enough curve to handle late drops and turning up and down steeper faces.   I use that rocker with single to double concaves.  The tail concaves straighten the rocker to enhance water flow for speed/drive, the V between the rear concaves makes it easy to roll the board rail to rail.  I find a thruster gives a lot more pop then a 2+1, and by moving the fin set up(on my 8’0, 4.25" tail, 12.5" sides), it puts the turning sweet spot further up.  Being a front foot centric surfer who does like to rail from further up, never found a quad set-up that worked as well for me.

Like these shapes, (currently have 3 from 7’6 to 8’0) more egg shaped for softer waves, more fungun shaped for juicer waves…

 

Sorry mate, di1dn't see this. I'll post a pic. Nose is to the left.

 

 

Sorry for the hijack, this is for bckyle

Looks like a good bit of tail rocker, or is that the vee around the side fins i'm seeing on that pic? Beautiful looking board by the way-kind of what I'm envisioning for my egg.

…I have a different concept with the egg rockers.

I make eggs that are super loose and fit hollow waves.

I really like that the bigger eggs have a shortboard feeling.

Here s the rocker for a 7 5 egg: N 5 3/8_ 2 1/8(1´)_5/8(2´) M _ 1/2(2´)_1 1/2(1´)_3 1/2 kick tail

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Its a light single to double concave. Reverb, i don't surf shortboards, but that egg is very loose as a thruster, and comes off the top very quickly.

 

Egg , fun board , big guy tri....Who am I to tell you what to ride...I have a 7'5" x 21 1/4" x 2 3/4" that I would love to sell you. It's never touched salt water. Fits your needs.....but you are over thinking the whole process....and I can't help you with that......... Stingray.....

 

[quote="$1"]

...I have a different concept with the egg rockers.

I make eggs that are super loose and fit hollow waves.

I really like that the bigger eggs have a shortboard feeling.

Here s the rocker for a 7 5 egg: N 5 3/8_ 2 1/8(1´)_5/8(2´) M _ 1/2(2´)_1 1/2(1´)_3 1/2 kick tail

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am I understanding this correctly?:

  • Nose 5 3/8"
  • 2 1/8" at 1´ back from nose
  • 5/8" at 2´back from nose
  • Middle 
  • 1/2" at 2´up from tail
  • 1 1/2" at 1´up from tail
  • 3 1/2" at tail (kick tail)

I didn't read all the posts, but you have to realize that rocker is just 1 element out of several that can't be separated from the design as a whole. Tail width, V, concave, rail profile, thicknes. etc, must all me considered. Years and years of experience is the key to getting the rocker right.

Plus.....where IS the rocker in the board?

 

TW

That would be correct Mr. Huckleberry. Standard when ordering custom rockered blanks.