Just finished my first hollow wooden board, about to start next project. Any thoughts on the design that I’ve come up with would be appreciated, please keep expletives mild as I am easilly discouraged and prone to crying like a girly.
Plans attached.
Cheers
Jase (MMM)
i don’t think i’d carry so much thickness through the nose…but it looks pretty good to me…have at it!
Hey FBLA,
Nice plan. Good to see someone else drawing up plans like that, it’s so much easier to transpose all that info into a board. I thought I was the only one who did that!!! AND IN METRIC!!!
Is that the overall plan with rails or are they to be added to after eg 4cm added all the way around…
I’d be looking at adding a smidge more width to the nose 30cm down, maybe 1cm each side for a little more nose float/planing area.
Wood is heavier so you need all the help you can with paddle and float.
looks like fun though.
cheers
Hicksy
I’m no expert, so take this with a grain of salt, but doesn’t a fish usually have less rocker, especially in your nose?
I’m afraid this is no “fish”. At least in the true sense. I’d call this one a swallowtail semi-gun, given the curvy outline and rocker. Fishes are supposed to be parallel rails, deep fish-tail, almost no rocker, aren’t they?
Aquafiend/ Balsa
I’m no expert and really don’t know my arse from my elbow and bow to everybody else’s superior knowledge in this area. Swallowtail semi-gun-thing it is then. What I really need to know is; will it work or will it surf like a shed door? What sort of fin configuration would be good? Too much rocker? Too thick? Waste of wood and glass?
What is meant by parrallel rails? Who the hell is that at the door?
Cheers bud
Jase (MMM)
Brandon,
Cheers for the suggestion, all help more than welcomed here. Being a total novice and apt to making it up as I go along, advice given is allways valued. How much thickness through the nose section do you reckon would work and from how far back? Trim the whole stringer down from the mid point forward you think?
Cheers bud
Jase (MMM)
“”“Is that the overall plan with rails or are they to be added to after eg 4cm added all the way around…”“” No, like you say, another 4-5 cm of cork and ply for the rails on top of that. Yeah Metric, eh! welcome me to the 20th century (s**T I missed it already) all the graph paper I could find was in squares of ten. confused the hell out of me, my calculater only works in dozens and scores.
“”"I’d be looking at adding a smidge more width to the nose 30cm down, maybe 1cm each side for a little more nose float/planing area.
Wood is heavier so you need all the help you can with paddle and float"“” Yeah, I have trouble enough with paddling (skinny arms and beer gut). Good thinking, will 1cm extra make much difference? Been suggested that I slim down the thickness through the nose section, won’t the two adjustments kind of counteract each other, or am I over-simplifying this?
“”“looks like fun though.”“” The building will be, hopefully the ride will be bearable too.
Cheers bud Jase(MMM)
I’m building my fish using the outline of the lis fish in “surfboard design and construction” also used same rocker and thickness. had a little problem in the tail area, but everything else is ok. maybe you can scale the lis template to 6’6’‘, if you wanna build a fish (not a swallow tail semi gun). your template looks good, but it’s not a real fish, that’s true. Wood is heavy, that’s true too, my 7’2’’ weighs about 20 pounds, but floats me well. Usually HWS have plenty of floatation. Keep us posted.
Jack
first off, its your board and you can call it what you like. i think “6 foot fish thing” is perfectly applicable.
where are you gonna be surfing it mostly? one thing i prefer is thinner noses especially in the rails for beach break as they will almost never bogand this will allow you to widen and flatten the nose. for performance oriented surifng remember, go wider, not thinner, planing surface is great.
How do Gatordave
surfing mainly in North Devon, England. Beach break is about what I’m up for, dont see much action of the barrel variety.
That makes sense going wider and thinner at the rails, maybe keep the framing dimensions as they are and just add more rail matterial, flattenning the profile toward the nose.
Nice one.
Jase (MMM)
Jack,
Any chance of getting some copy of the plans of the Lis fish you speak of or would that be breaking some copyright law and likely to land you in the proverbial?
Hey, I’ve just noticed I’ve been promoted to the staus of Journeyman, Anybody know where I am journeying to?
How many stamps do I need to collect to become an addict?
Cheers Jack
Jase(MMM)
you have to download this:
http://fundingcashflow.com/surfing/Surfboard_Design_and_Construction_1977.pdf
there are some surfboard plans there, including the fish ones. The board is a 5’6’', so you have to scale it. I don’t know how to do it, but there must be something in the archives about that.
Jack
first off, its your board and you can call it what you like. i think “6 foot fish thing” is perfectly applicable.
Yeah, it’s your board, and you can call it what you like. Here’s a shot of my noserider longboard: Now, that’s humour… I don’t want to make a fuss about that, but don’t you think that misusing words may lead everybody (especially beginners) to confusion? Why not call a gun a gun, a fish a fish, aso? A lot of people today talk about a fish when a board has some sort of split-tail. I believe that the fish thing is a design all its own just like the term “bonzer” should not apply to any kind of concave bottom… Nat is Nat and that’s that. A fish is a fish and this is this.
Aquafiend/ Balsa
I’m no expert and really don’t know my arse from my elbow and bow to everybody else’s superior knowledge in this area. Swallowtail semi-gun-thing it is then. What I really need to know is; will it work or will it surf like a shed door? What sort of fin configuration would be good? Too much rocker? Too thick? Waste of wood and glass?
What is meant by parrallel rails? Who the hell is that at the door?
Cheers bud
Jase (MMM)
Hey, don’t take my words too seriously, either. I just think people understand each other better when they use the proper words. Enough with that.
Will it work? Anything will work, really. But then, some things will work better in certain conditions and much lesser in others. Your template should work fine in doh vertical to tubular waves, whereas a “real” fish will be more at ease in small sloppy surf. Parallel rails means that the outline is very much like that of a longboard. Basically, a board for small waves will be designed to be able to create its own speed out of something that has almost none. On the other hand, the bigger the waves, the less speed you need to create since it’s already there: what you need is control, and this comes from a curvy outline and a more pronounced rocker + some other subtleties but let’s stay basic. It all comes down to “where are you going to use that board?”
Small sloppy waves: flat rocker, lots of planing area, minimum of curves.
Bigger/faster waves: lots of rocker, reduced planing area, maximum of curves.
Hey Balsa,
cheers, that was some of the most useful and plainly put advice I’ve received so far, it’s all become crystal all of a sudden. Being a novice I really do appreciate the advice simply put. What I will be surfing is mainly slop (English waters) so it looks like a total re-think on the design, but that’s all part of the process, right.
Thanks again
Jase (MMM)
P.S. I don’t care what it’s called but you’re right, call a pig a fish and it all gets a bit messy.
I’m glad if this was of use. Where exactly in the UK? Cornwall or some other place? I’m french, living in Guéthary near Biarritz.
shed doors are good …kelly slater gets a tube and a cutback on his in the new Jack McCoy surf film festival …
"… What I really need to know is; will it work or will it surf like a shed door? Who the hell is that at the door?
Cheers bud
Jase (MMM)
" fbla , "
Hi there Jimmy !!
I just want you to know …shed doors are GOOD !!
In the new Jack McCoy surf movie festival, Kelly Slater gets tubed and does a cutback on HIS , while Taj Burrow does a few waves on a taboggan. And Rob Machado pulls into a closeout barrel on his guitar case.
No, my name is not Ambrose . No I have not been smoking or sniffing, OR drinking.
Yes, others saw it too …
So just in case your …er…‘woodie’ ends up a little …um…‘flat’ , shall we say , take pride that at least ONE shed door rider in the world has been tubed !!
ben
p.s. - photos CAN be sent, for the doubting Thomases out there. or bobs or myrtles or …oh heck …it’s late , I’m going to bed …spare you this drivel any longer … ZZZZZZzzzzzzzz…
p.p.s. "I should be here tomorrow " [all going well]
The question is, though … WILL it be better than the yesterday just gone, and the today I’m having now…which is our yesterday for your today in america… ?? !! ]
AVAST!
now there’s the most bitchin board ever!
make the darn thing !
you can draw it out today cutit out tonite sshape it tomorrow morning glassit yomorrow afternoon and ride it by friday
GO DADDY GO DADDY GO DADDY-O…ambrose…yea team fabuladiss
