Surftech/Joel Tudor Surfboards a scam!!!

General Discussion
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Wow, i think its a bit much to call this a scam, a bummer maybe…but a scam…come on. Ever buy a pair of 32 inch waist pants that are too small? or a pair of size 10 shoes that dont fit?? Its the same thing. Instead of calling surftech out to a bunch of people who are commited to NOT doing what they do, why not call randy and co (not joel…he gets a 10 buck royaly for every one sold…thats it) and just tell them that they have a mis spec, if they tell you to deal with it, and you are still unhappy then just ask for your money back and i can garuntee upon return of the board in sellable condition that they will give it to you, they may sell pop outs but they are not terrible people.

problem solved

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I would have to say that a large pizza with only a ‘medium’ amt. of pizza toppings (cheese,sausage, et al) would

be a dissapointment.

I peroused askancely at the web, specifically Surftech, and found that the current offering HPNR seems to be a 9’4" model that they spec out as being 9’0".

From other websites, (others selling the HPNR) it appears that (??? maybe) there was a HPNR model that was supposed to be 9’0" --guessing it was an older model

and discontinued.

Now if there was a recent model transition(from 9’0" to 9’4")…then it could be a case of labels and putting an old label on a newer model.

My guess between the Surftech website and other things I see is that possibly there is a shiiteload of older 9’0" models

that they are trying to offload.

Me thinks --somewhere in this jumbled and confused reply of mine lies the truth.

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Maui

Look at it positivly,

you got 4"s for no extra cost

longer the better in my book

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Oh man. I was reading this thread and some of the funny responses while watching the movie Borat from askance. Read the Joel and Brazilian Jujitsu thing and turned around and Borat was brawling his friend in their hotel room butt naked. Kind of like the jujitsu. No offense intended. I think the Brazilian jujistu stuff is brilliant and am glad Joel has trained so hard in it. Just a funny seen in the movie and funny timing when reading. Mike

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Look back to Soultisce’s “Wisdom of the wave” thread - Point No 6.

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Guys what a lot of bollocks.

1 . Ring surftech tell them that the dimensions are wrong.

  1. Joel Tudor is well paid . If you get any money for surfing and being a general layabout that is plenty, want more , work for it.

  2. How many 9 footers come in at 9’0

  3. Get in contact with Joel , tell him he should have stayed at school then maybe when he worked out the dimensions they might be right. Talk to his maths teacher.

  4. Give me the name of that pizza hut $5 for a medium and you get a large what toppings, is the coke free. With the Aussie dollar at the moment we could write a book ,california on $5.10 a day oh no if I’ve ballsed up the exchange rate they might start a thread on sways. we may even talk about surfboard design.

  5. most of the world would be happy with an extra 4 inches for free.

7.Surfteck are made in thialand, maybe it is a plot by Thia bar girls to make Americans feel under endowed.

  1. Any Australians that feel hese answers relate to you please call 131114.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hT2ZlYHFy2Q

Ok…I posted this elsewhere…but it’s fun.

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is bollocks a pizza topping???

sounds good.

can i get large pizza w/ anchovies & bollocks please!

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is bollocks a pizza topping???

sounds good.

can i get large pizza w/ anchovies & bollocks please!

never mind the bollocks…

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First of all, a high performance 9’4" is different from a 9’0". If you know how to surf pretty good, you’ll know the difference. I would be upset if I ordered a 9’0" and got a 9’4", more upset if was the opposite.

But, you should have seen red flags from the website. If the main description says it’s a 9’4" the the details section says 9’0" I would have asked to clear that up.

Then there is the whole issue of ordering a board from a far away place or going into a surfshop and getting it there.

30 years ago, I would order a board from a builder and then get something that I wasn’t expecting. After a couple of those trips, I stopped ordering and bought all my boards off the rack. Sometimes the shapers will sell you what they currently ride, just to make a new one for themselves. I scored several really nice boards that way. On the other hand, my brother will order boards from people on the other side of the country, not me. I just buy the boards he doesn’t like at a discount since they are used.

Give the board a go, or sell it before you use it. Maybe a shop will do a trade if the board is still brand new. You may like the extra 4" and be grateful.

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I personally think it’s just a Surftech marketing fuck up. The low paid Thalaiandeesees intern that posted the specs posted the wrong specs. The name of the board states 9’4" HPwhatever. I’d think it was supposed to be a 9’4" not a 9’0".

Call the surftech hotline @ 1-800…Oh that’s right, my mistake…they probably don’t give a shit?

Surf it, and see how it goes? If it doesn’t surf well see if they will make some adjustments to the design. Maybe a flatter rocker, or maybe a bit more kick in the tail, possible a bit more pulled in the nose?

It’s not Tudors fault, it’s Surftecs marketing department, or whoever proof the ads. If you bought it in California the weights and measurements department would love to hear about this. California is a real stickler for proper UPC codes on all products, and exact measurements and weight on most if not all products sold in a retail store. it might not hold water in a surf shop, but it’s a big deal in the Food, Drug, Mass class of trade.

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You may like the extra 4" and be grateful.

Be grateful for an extra 4". I’d be extatic over the moon.

Pizza with anchovies but hold the bollocks (gently)

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You may like the extra 4" and be grateful.

Be grateful for an extra 4". I’d be extatic over the moon.

Pizza with anchovies but hold the bollocks (gently)

Thats what she said

LOL!

get it? “you may like an extra 4 inches”

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Hey Mikefish , your definition of “not so well paid” and mine are obviously completely different.

Anyone who from the age of about 16 is paid to surf, has never had to work a day in their life and gets paid to surf is in my books “well paid”.

I’m not saying he isn’t a cool dude but calling him an artist is a bit of a stretch (i know that wasn’t you).

An artist is someone with something to say, something to express, a way of expressing themselves which makes people look at the world in fresh ways. An artist is a first principle and primary cause.

It takes more than a smooth cutback and the ability to stand on the nose without flapping your arms about.

Joel has been a very carefully managed and packaged commodity since a very early age…that process has been well documented. His skill has been to carefully appropriate the styles, designs and “vibe” of earlier historical periods in surfing.

His act found a receptive market and good luck to him.

By way of contrast Nat Young ,at Joels age, had been a world champion, written a book, made two movies, shaped many boards, run for political office on a platform of environmental responsibility and been arrested twice.

I just think Joel Tudor is a rather bland and uninteresting modern version of those who he models himself on.

For the record, no disrespect to San Diegans or the historical contribution of this great surf town to surfing and surfboard design.

Hanging in the carpark at Windansea after a session ,necking a couple of cold brews, watching the sunset, and soaking up the vibes is one of my most cherished memories.

Also for the record, I’ve nothing against the Surftech business model (ethical concerns about Asian labour notwithstanding).

I’ve had lifelong surfer/shapers like Geoff McCoy and Wayne Deane tell me in person it’s been a great boon to them.

In my eyes, it is enhancing custom surfboard making because it is giving these great craftsmen a guaranteed income stream.

By the way Mike I checked out your website and their are alot of beautiful artworks there.

To quote Michelangelo in your board spiel “I saw the angel in the marble and carved until I set him free” and then advertise a bunch of surftech pop-outs is beyond lame. It’s pretentious BS of the highest order.

Anyway I guess that’s the modern world we live in.

Steve

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lennox,

he was paid to surf way earlyier than 16.

he was the only acter at the time to not play the sand finish gnar role in the movies.

hell imo he has ALOT to do with the retro movement that has come and morphed into the modern retro movement but thats just me.

its cause of his influence on surfing young kids care about surf history of the early days from dora logs to lopez pipeline guns.

and yes JT is arteist of the choke out…lol

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even though Wayne and Joel are good freinds, i remeber an article in a mag where Wayne was baggin on Joel

for riding single fins in modern day times, saying they didnt work then and they dont work now.

so why is he now pushing single fins again??

Scene 1 from Wayne Lynch goes to the Dark Side.

A little shaping shed out the back of a bush house in Victoria.

Ring. Ring ring.

Lynch (in broad Aussie Accent): yeah.

Tudor: (with Californian drawl); Hey Wayne, you started shaping those single-fins yet?

Lynch: I told you those things were dogs Joel, why don’t you wake up and smell the coffee. It’s 2008 , not 1972.

Joel: yeah , I know Wayne, but these Californian kids are eating these things up like candy bars. Aren’t your kids going to college soon?

Lynch: Fuck, how many of those things did you say you sold last year?

Tudor: Come on Wayne, you can bring the whole family to Tavarua next year.

Lynch: Orright. Hey Joel.

Tudor: Yeah?

Lynch: One more thing.

Tudor: What?

Lynch: They’re still dogs.

Tudor: Whatever.

Click.

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“dude wayne lynch sold out to the dark side back when he was doing evolution surfboards.” in a california draw

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I might buy into the anti Joel movement a bit more…maybe…if I hadn’t surfed countless double overhead days out at blacks with him when I was second guessing drops on my 7’0" stuck in the lip watching Joel come from behind the peak on a 70’s style sub 6’ twin keel fish literally laughing in the tube for a hundred yards…or rocked up on big rock just in time to see him get spit out of the tube on the wave of the day…then there was that day at pipeline a few years back where I found a spot to park, ran up to the bench, looked out to 4 to 5 foot sideshore (chattery) pipe and here’s Joel (no leash)tucked under a windy lip driving in the barrel on some double ender type thing, then he get’s the lip to his head…falls, get’s drilled all the while I’m watching his board tumble rail over rail on it’s way to the channel and ultimately the beach…and just as I have that thought “hey lemme grab his board and slide it back out to him as he comes in”…then I glance back to the barreling section and here’s Joel body surfing the curl and catching up to the tumbling board…and right before it hit the beach he grabbed it jumped on and paddled back out. Guys got talent oozing from his fingertips regardless of which era your from and if you ever surfed with him you’d know it…period.

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Jeez. 57 replies. This thread has morphed from a SurfTech ad issue, to a questionable business model and scam issue, to a Joel is a sell-out issue, to a Joel is this or that issue. Wow.

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This is actually MAUI"s second attempt…

The first thread was a flop…nobody cared

http://swaylocks.com/forum/gforum.cgi?post=380470;sb=post_latest_reply;so=ASC;forum_view=forum_view_collapsed;;page=unread#unread

Once he added Surftech to the title it became a monster!

I like Joel…