Surprising tunnel discovery !

I was in the Mount surf shop and museum yesterday and had my first up close look at a Turbo tunnel fin. . …

guess what ? (haven’t heard anyone mention this here before). . . .

The exit is smaller in diameter than the inlet !. . . . in other words they constrict the water flow !. . . . that’s REALLY stupid (and might explain why Bill keeps mistakenly saying that MY tunnels constrict water flow, which they DON"T !!).

Obviously constricting the water flow creates useless drag, and also reduces the ability of the tunnel to handle high angles of attack. . . it’s just a no brainer !

Sheesh !

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I noticed they were kinda heavy too compared to a regular fiberglass fin. I didn’t really care for the extra weight that much personally.

It seems likely to have that purpose, to enhance hold when noseriding–the annular tunnel being sized such that the lift component would be minimal seems to suggest that its purpose is to enhance hold, and a flow through a smallish decreasing annular with a vorticulationalarized (sorry–what’s the right word there?) low behind the annular would do that in a fairly inoffensive way, wouldn’t it?

Pssh–I dunno. (Was looking at some stuff on denticles and Speedo and the US Navy a minute ago though Roy, but haven’t the energy to post on the other thread–pm me if you want.)

i think they got the idea from jets…

in aero dymnamics the jet engine has a smaller opening on the back to push the air out faster making the airplain flying faster

i am no expert but i think they were going for the same thing with the fin

Tell them they’re dreaming!. . . all constricting the flow does is make the surfboard slower !

Bizarre that they have mass produced another turbo tunnel without getting the basics right.

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That would be ludicrous–you just pulled that out of your, ah, thin air, right?

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in aero dymnamics the airplain flying faster

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in aero dymnamics the jet engine has a smaller opening on the back to push the air out faster making the airplain flying faster

i am no expert but i think they were going for the same thing with the fin

The thing about jet engines though is the turbine forces air out the back of the fin whereas with the turbo tunnel theres no turbine forcing water through the tunnel. I’m not sure what the science exactly is behind the tunnel, but it definitely seems like it would have greater drag than a regular fin.

I’m no expert on these matters. That being said, maybe speed wasn’t their goal.

Slowing the board down to keep the tail in the pocket would help with nose riding, as well as their jetamajigger whatever (yes, that is a technical term) that supposedly helps too. Not everyone is trying to break the sound barrier Mr Bloke. :0)

I say…when you’re going for an old school style, keep it old school.

There seems (I skimmed) to be no mention of the tunnel taper in Bob Bolen’s patent write-ups (http://www.google.com/…;btnG=Search+Patents) and the drawings don’t show any obvious entrance/exit difference (tough to be certain - Google doesn’t seem to have the drawing manipulation part of there patent search operational yet, and the resolution as displayed is pretty crude). Maybe this is something that was introduced by the manufacturer? I do note that PR claims for the TT cite that the device will not impair speed. If the tunnel does taper, that claim would appear to be dubious. Hey, maybe it’s compressing the water to increase propulsion :slight_smile: BTW, I think the Google patent searching is very cool…

-Samiam

…water’s not compressable under this conditions…is it???

How much of a difference is there between the intake and the outlet diameters?

You can see it in good size by clicking on the drawing–you can also zoom on it. No taper here. That would be a venturi, right? Giving a low zone at the exhaust? Little drag pocket? WOuld help with tip time, I would think.

Google patents is super-cool.

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I’m no expert on these matters. That being said, maybe speed wasn’t their goal.

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I say…when you’re going for an old school style, keep it old school.

Old school style includes a move called ‘stalling’. . . . no need to use a patented brake

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in the darkness of the tunnel

the light came to me

from the other end

doesnt the fin’s primary function remain the principle

as set forth by dyplodicus the younger in his treatise of objects on a pond 1529

appendages on bottoms slow down the end closest to the appendage

in direct proportion to their size

and configuration

as such the fin ,as postulated

of any size

slows down one end of the surfboard.

as exhibited by the popularity of the fin for the last 70 years

slower is better

and that seems to be that.

how slow is appropriate

is a hair stuck on tthe pallette/

…ambrose…

nothing like a hamburger with a long hair in it

maybe a spoon full of vegemite with ahair

Wrong about fins, some speed the board up, some slow them down, some speed them up sometimes and slow them down at other times. . . it all depends

Right about the hamburger

Next !

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…water’s not compressable under this conditions…is it???

I’ll answer you as soon as I remove my tongue from my cheek…

-Samiam

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You can see it in good size by clicking on the drawing–you can also zoom on it. No taper here. That would be a venturi, right? Giving a low zone at the exhaust? Little drag pocket? WOuld help with tip time, I would think.

Google patents is super-cool.

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Hmmm. Didn’t work in FF 2 for me. I’ll need to go back and see if it’s a browser or operator problem…

-Samiam

Still wondering what the amount of difference is between the intake and outlet, Tom. Did you use calipers?

Roy–did you say that some fins speeed the board up? And I’m assuming you’re not talking about full hydrofoiling, hull-free?

Come now.

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Yes, most fins speed the board up, take any of your boards and grind the fins off, the difference will be obvious.

Even vertical flat plane fins offer vertical lift much of the time , and any fin which has horizontal area will provide lift at a better lift/drag ratio than the planing bottom, which is beneficial even if it dosn’t lift the entire hull out.

When I say that the tapered conical section pipe on the turbo tunnel slows the board down, I mean in comparison with a similar fin with a cylindrical pipe.

The turbo tunnel definitely has a tapered tunnel by the way, just checked.

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