“No the attack you mention on a shapers body of work is not an attack on the shapers family in question. The two have nothing to do with each other. When you put your work ( shapes ) out for sale, you must be willing to take some criticism, attacks and etc” - SS
In the instance I am talking about, the shaper in question has NEVER posted his boards up and attempted to sell them. Anywhere. He doesn’t post online. At all. So I just can’t see it your way. You attack a man’s business/means of making his living with falsities, all bets are off. You pretty much give up your high ground when it comes to crying/whining about fair play. Lying about someone’s work with intent to damage, as Roy has done repeatedly, will get you sued in most businesses. It’s called libel/slander. Surfing is a bit different. There’s no money to pay for lawyers so people like Roy get away with it.
As for Roy being banned, he’s posting on this thread as Pinkpanther. So apparently not.
Hey…everything you just said is fair game. Roy brings it and should be able to take it when it dished out. However…some of you guys just keep answering and banging the same old drum…just like you claim he does. You obviously like it. So why complain about Roy? You wouldn’t be able to bash him if he was not posting.
My only gripe in a major way was Lokbox’s comment: Aye carumba who’s raising those hellions? Says alot about what his priorities are. Wait a second…they live in a bus. That says even more. I rest my case lol.
BTW: On slander…you have to prove damage or it doesn’t mean much. It doesn’t matter what Roy does or says…his kids should be off limits unless one of them comes on and post themselves.
GWS: You usually don’t post over here. Did you get a pm or something? Happy to have you, but what brought you out of hiding?
i didn’t attack anybody, just asked a question. i applaud the workmanship and effort, but the video speaks the truth. two things-perhaps a bigger wave will get it going and/or, use a fin with less area. i do want to see how it works in some good sized surf…
OK solo, once again it’s fair game for Roy to say whatever he wants about whoever he wants and his “group” get’s all over my case for saying one thing? Unreal. BTW he’s been doing it for years. I apologize for saying what I did but Roys excuse for not coming over and riding his board himself is what keeps this BS going. He mentioned he had 12 kids and that being the reason he can’t leave. I didn’t just bring it up out of the blue. I find it ironic that he makes these expensive labor intensive boards…and doesn’t have two nickels to rub together to even get to the beach. But spends all day SPAMMING several message boards and the focus goes onto me for calling that out? He slams americans REGULARLY as well as their lifelong businesses and nothing gets done about it. If I told one person…ONE to f8ck off on here I’d be banned instantly and you know it. How about if I posted a certain fin set-up on here and someone came on and said they didn’t like it or couldn’t get it to work, then I started calling them names like “limp wristed” or posted up pictures of chickens or said “cluck cluck” ? How would that go over with the mods? But Roy can and does do it all day long. Respect? There’s so much aloha coming from Roy over there I wanna puke.
I’ve never disrespected anyone the way Roy does. Oh, forgot…it’s Roy, that makes it OK. So lets recap…if your not singing Roys praises then your an outsider and your opinions are not welcome? Over it. Get one of Roys boards and convince yourself that your out performing every other design out there…knock yourself out. The whole thing is a joke and no I don’t care about it near as much as you may think. I just went surfing and had a great time.
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As for GWS and lokbox F*ck you I’m not telling any lies, you are just peeved because I criticised bonzers and am aware of fin box drag, get over it
Hang on, I hear a cluck cluck cluck noise coming from hawaii . . . …
For the record my comments have absolutley NOTHING to do with Bonzers or fin box drag. It has to do with Roy not getting the feedback he wanted then going straight into name calling and disrespecting the very people that are trying to help him out and hawaiians in general which is real lame IMO. Talk about hiding behind the internet. If Roy was in hawaii and said these things I doubt he’d make it back on his ship home on anything other than a stretcher.
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a bit weak kneed overall
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cluck cluck cluck chicken boys
There’s your personal attacks you speak of in black and white right in front of your face. Are you gonna cry to the mods like you are about me? Of course not. OK for Roy…not for me right? You said something about a group? lol. More like a Roys club. Why is this allowed here? Why isn’t pink panther banned if this stuff you accuse me of is not allowed and so out of line? The double standard is staggering…
No Lokbox…it’s not fair game for Roy and not you. Not by a long shot. He should be able to defend himself. However…I took issue with the comment about his kids. Thats it’s. I doubt you know them or anyone else here.
I am curious why some of you guys who dislike Roy still insist on posting about him though? Why not just ignore? If he is fishing for attention the way you claim…your continuing to feed that right?
I don’t ride boards like Roy’s. I wouldn’t mind giving it a try out of curiosity. It’s my understanding that it’s not about performance, but straight down the line speed? I think the challenge was that the board couldn’t handle pipe…not that it was the ideal board for pipe…but I forget.
Howzit Jim, Since I have met you in person I can say that you are a great guy and are not the kind to belittle others. As for Randy falling off, probably it’s the board itself and not the Randy since we all know he can definitly hold his own in the water. Just let the dissing remarks roll off your back, you are a better person for it.Aloha,Kokua
those local Hawaiian boys will not be sending that board anywhere
but to the sacrificial fire pit
plenty of other non hawaiians have spoken this way on behalf of the hawaiians
pretty rude imo
let the boys speak for themselves
as i do and roy does
roy has never directed any attacks on hawaiians
if you can find one please show me
other then a bit of light hearted jesting I didnt say Roy was calling names at the Hawaiians but wasnt someone call them a bunch of chickens? Im sorry if you think my comment was rude there seems to be a lot of that going around
besides, are we talking about the mainland blowins that call themselves hawaiian
or the true blue,ridgy didge indigenous hawaiians? I ment the ones being called chicken
Jimmy, reminds me of dear Old Dale Velzy’s “Star War” short boards, he took the boards and Sean Mattison to San’o for sea trials.
Sean Paddled out on the different boards and gave them his absolute best try, when he came in and told Dale that they did not ride very well, Dale blew up in his face.
He told Sean he was riding them all wrong, Sean replied to Dale “tell me how you want me to ride them”.
Dale further blew his top and started swearing at Sean and said he was just a butt wiggler.
Now Sean is a dyed in the wool, for real christian, no swearing back, just told Dale to come down to Surf Ride and get his boards out of the racks.
Now that’s the way to shoot yourself in the foot !!!
Howzit silly, I have read the whole thread and can't figure out why people are so excited about a board that is an oddity at best. To really see how the board works it should be ridden at big Hanalei which is a speed wave. Used to have a guy who rode a 13 footer at Hanalei and the only thing it did was catch waves earlier, but after that nothing. Now watching the Irons brothers and Reef riding 7'8's on a 12-15 ft day at the Bay is an awesome thing.For some reason Jim's feathers have been flustered and he's fighting back. Lots of builders promote their boards or products here so it's not an uncommon thing. Don't know if you've ever met him but he is a great guy and knows what he's talking about and the meaning of ALOHA. Aloha,Kokua