Sorry, I’m still seething from Western European accusations that my countrymen want to kill innocent Iraqis for personal gain. Iraq contains somewhere near 10% of the world’s crude oil reserves. The United States consumes more crude oil than any other nation. The United States is planning to attack Iraq. That’s it. Looks like we’ve determined the U.S. motive… well, according to some. What if a nation, strategically located, was developing weapons of mass destruction? What if the only reason the nation could afford to create an effective WMD arsenal was profit from crude oil sales? What if that nation planned to use WMDs on innocent people of other nations? Would a potential victim of that nation be justified in preemptively attacking that nation? What would Iraq have to do in order for potential U.S. allies to examine the motives of Iraq, a proven terrorist nation, instead of questioning the motives of the U.S.? …a nuclear attack? Why might these potential allies choose to take Iraq’s side? You know… America’s potential allies who are buying Iraqi crude oil and feeding Iraq’s WMD arsenal? Why might these people defend such a murderous nation as Iraq? An attack on Iraq could remove 10% of the world’s crude oil supply. Prices would skyrocket. Western European nations, by refusing to take a stand on Iraq, are forcing Iraqi crude oil onto the free world market. The added oil supply lowers the price of petroleum products in Western Europe. An American victory could remove Iraqi crude from Western European fuel tanks. If Western European nations back the U.S., they could be backing the U.S. potential to take sole advantage of Iraq’s crude oil supply. Could these people, these nations, be trading American lives for their comfort, their convenience? Now THAT would be despicable! Two scenarios: 1)The Unites States is planning to attack Iraq to control a large amount of the world oil market. 2)Through Iraq, Western Europeans are attempting to trade American lives for their conveniences. Even if the U.S. stands to gain 1/10th of the worlds oil reserves, does the U.S. have the right to defend itself? You be the judge. I only have one warning. The United States WILL attack Iraq. We will prevail, or we will die. If Western European nations continue to back Iraq, they will be backing Iraq’s potential to recapture sole advantage of their own crude oil supply. An Iraq victory will also remove Western Europe’s ability to finesse Iraqi crude oil into their fuel tanks. Either way, the jig is up. If the U.S. wins do you want us to remember you as an ally, or as part of the enemy? If Iraq wins, you’ll have gotten into bed with murderers. You’d better sleep with one eye open.
“If Iraq wins, you’ll have gotten into bed with murderers.” Noodle - I’m not sure it’s that simple. Just for the sake of political argument, consider the undisputed genocide of virtually an entire race of Native Americans. The first known case of weapons of mass destruction (in this case - bacteriological weapons) might arguably be when the U.S. Army gathered small pox infected blankets from hospitals and… well, it really didn’t happen that way did it? Aside from the alleged use of bacteriological warfare on Indians, there are plenty of other examples of murder of unarmed native men, women and children being slaughtered at the hands of the U.S. Army. Add to that the murder and mayhem that was committed by countless civilian hunters, traders, miners, etc. that went unpunished - indeed, in some cases rewarded, and you have a pretty strong case. Can an argument be made that the annihilation of 2-300,000 men, women and children when we nuked Hiroshima and Nagasaki was murder? The genetic pool is affected to this day. Even the pilot of the Enola Gay has been quoted, “My god, what have we done?” Yeah, it was war, but… On a smaller scale, does anyone remember the story of My Lai in Viet Nam? Lt. William Calley and his gang of merry makers shooting and skewering unarmed men, women and children on their bayonets as they ransacked the village? War sucks. When it gets right down to it though, we can be, and have been, guilty of some serious shit. It really doesn’t help the situation to point a finger at “murderers.” It’s kind of like tracking down terrorists… at what point does the process go full circle and come right back at us? George Bush has said, “Either you support us, or you support the Taliban.” I’m not sure it’s that simple either. If we can’t gather international support through the U.N. for military action, we may end up shooting ourself in the foot. Better yet, cooler heads may prevail and a peaceful solution will be found. I’m not holding my breath.
Sorry, I’m still seething from Western European accusations that my > countrymen want to kill innocent Iraqis for personal gain.>>> Iraq contains somewhere near 10% of the world’s crude oil reserves. The > United States consumes more crude oil than any other nation. The United > States is planning to attack Iraq. That’s it. Looks like we’ve determined > the U.S. motive… well, according to some.>>> What if a nation, strategically located, was developing weapons of mass > destruction? What if the only reason the nation could afford to create an > effective WMD arsenal was profit from crude oil sales? What if that nation > planned to use WMDs on innocent people of other nations? Would a potential > victim of that nation be justified in preemptively attacking that nation?>>> What would Iraq have to do in order for potential U.S. allies to examine > the motives of Iraq, a proven terrorist nation, instead of questioning the > motives of the U.S.? …a nuclear attack? Why might these potential allies > choose to take Iraq’s side? You know… America’s potential allies who are > buying Iraqi crude oil and feeding Iraq’s WMD arsenal? Why might these > people defend such a murderous nation as Iraq?>>> An attack on Iraq could remove 10% of the world’s crude oil supply. Prices > would skyrocket. Western European nations, by refusing to take a stand on > Iraq, are forcing Iraqi crude oil onto the free world market. The added > oil supply lowers the price of petroleum products in Western Europe. An > American victory could remove Iraqi crude from Western European fuel > tanks. If Western European nations back the U.S., they could be backing > the U.S. potential to take sole advantage of Iraq’s crude oil supply. > Could these people, these nations, be trading American lives for their > comfort, their convenience? Now THAT would be despicable!>>> Two scenarios: 1)The Unites States is planning to attack Iraq to control a > large amount of the world oil market. 2)Through Iraq, Western Europeans > are attempting to trade American lives for their conveniences.>>> Even if the U.S. stands to gain 1/10th of the worlds oil reserves, does > the U.S. have the right to defend itself? You be the judge. I only have > one warning. The United States WILL attack Iraq. We will prevail, or we > will die. If Western European nations continue to back Iraq, they will be > backing Iraq’s potential to recapture sole advantage of their own crude > oil supply. An Iraq victory will also remove Western Europe’s ability to > finesse Iraqi crude oil into their fuel tanks.>>> Either way, the jig is up. If the U.S. wins do you want us to remember you > as an ally, or as part of the enemy? If Iraq wins, you’ll have gotten into > bed with murderers. You’d better sleep with one eye open. Noodle, the oil thing will always be an issue with the europeans, because they pay about twice as much for gas as we do. Iraq will never be a viable trading partner with anyone as long as it is run by a jive ass dictator. Europeans have suffered thru more hometown wars than we have, so they shoud have a very clear picture of what we are trying to prevent from happening on our own soil. The bottom line is the world would be a better place for the Euros & us if we had civilized people running the worlds governments. Saddam aint civilized!! The U.S. is always being critisized for consuming more than anyone else. But on the other hand we produce around 75% of the worlds food & create technologies that have helped the word be a better place, even the people who hate us send their children to America to get the best educations. not to mention the cold cash we give to just about every other country on the planet. It could always be better, but our way of life just aint half bad! Most of the people who critasize us do so with there hand out. A real concern for this board…oil prices effect surfboard material cost big time, so stay tuned.
Sorry, I’m still seething from Western European accusations that my > countrymen want to kill innocent Iraqis for personal gain.>>> Iraq contains somewhere near 10% of the world’s crude oil reserves. The > United States consumes more crude oil than any other nation. The United > States is planning to attack Iraq. That’s it. Looks like we’ve determined > the U.S. motive… well, according to some.>>> What if a nation, strategically located, was developing weapons of mass > destruction? What if the only reason the nation could afford to create an > effective WMD arsenal was profit from crude oil sales? What if that nation > planned to use WMDs on innocent people of other nations? Would a potential > victim of that nation be justified in preemptively attacking that nation?>>> What would Iraq have to do in order for potential U.S. allies to examine > the motives of Iraq, a proven terrorist nation, instead of questioning the > motives of the U.S.? …a nuclear attack? Why might these potential allies > choose to take Iraq’s side? You know… America’s potential allies who are > buying Iraqi crude oil and feeding Iraq’s WMD arsenal? Why might these > people defend such a murderous nation as Iraq?>>> An attack on Iraq could remove 10% of the world’s crude oil supply. Prices > would skyrocket. Western European nations, by refusing to take a stand on > Iraq, are forcing Iraqi crude oil onto the free world market. The added > oil supply lowers the price of petroleum products in Western Europe. An > American victory could remove Iraqi crude from Western European fuel > tanks. If Western European nations back the U.S., they could be backing > the U.S. potential to take sole advantage of Iraq’s crude oil supply. > Could these people, these nations, be trading American lives for their > comfort, their convenience? Now THAT would be despicable!>>> Two scenarios: 1)The Unites States is planning to attack Iraq to control a > large amount of the world oil market. 2)Through Iraq, Western Europeans > are attempting to trade American lives for their conveniences.>>> Even if the U.S. stands to gain 1/10th of the worlds oil reserves, does > the U.S. have the right to defend itself? You be the judge. I only have > one warning. The United States WILL attack Iraq. We will prevail, or we > will die. If Western European nations continue to back Iraq, they will be > backing Iraq’s potential to recapture sole advantage of their own crude > oil supply. An Iraq victory will also remove Western Europe’s ability to > finesse Iraqi crude oil into their fuel tanks.>>> Either way, the jig is up. If the U.S. wins do you want us to remember you > as an ally, or as part of the enemy? If Iraq wins, you’ll have gotten into > bed with murderers. You’d better sleep with one eye open. I was a little, skinny kid in grade school… got alone fine with most everyone, except a couple of the usual bullies who liked to pick on smaller targets. I learned early on that “peaceful negotiation” wasn`t even an option with some people, who interpret such an approach as weakness… during recess, on the bus or alone somewhere after school, I was tired of being scared. So, I decided to face my next schoolyard threat with a calculated and vicious (all of my 90 lbs. worth) “premptive strike”… just before he once again tried to embarrass and hurt me. Lesson learned. I never had a problem with him or his buddies, ever again. In other words, right on, Noodle!
I posted a responce in another thread, not too long ago, and I believe, Noodle, you may have interpreted it to be against your beliefs. I guess what I wanted to say, but probably failed, was that to do what you propse takes a lot more than just simple action (and more than what I am going to write here). At any rate, I believe that there is merit in both peace and in protection. As I don’t think I can express this very well in my own words I’ll leave you with a few from Niccolo Machiavelli - to me, these pretty well sum up the situation as I believe many see it : “We can say that cruelty is used well (if it is permissible to talk in this way of what is evil) when it is employed once and for all, and one’s safety depends on it, and then it is not persisted in but as far as possible turned to the good of one’s subjects. Cruelty badly used is that which, although infrequent to start with, as time goes on, rather than disappearing, grows in intensity.” Anybody seen any really good surf lately ?
John, You’re talking about what some Americans did to other Americans many generations ago. There’s nothing anyone can do about those things now, is there? We could attempt to make American Indian descendants, like slave descendants, utter failures, forever dependant on other Americans for their existence. Oh wait… We’re already doing that, in classic European socialist fashion. Hussein has been successful at delaying, changing the subject to race, by throwing Palestinian lives at Israelis. Maybe you’d like to blame Norway for Belgium’s 17th century slave trade. After all… they are the same race. That way we could throw Al Qaeda at them. Would that buy your buddy Saddam a few more R&D months? Sure, American actions of generations ago must be figured into Western Europe’s decision… assuming that Europeans are choosing sides based on moral grounds. But with Western Europe’s dependence on Iraqi crude, combined with Western Europe’s propensity for showing prejudice against American motives over Iraqi motives why would anyone assume Western Europe’s honorable intent? Russia is positioning itself on Iraq’s side for completely different selfish reasons from Western Europe. Russia is a giant net exporter of crude oil. If America takes over Iraqi oilfields, Russia knows that we will flow the oil more freely, and reduce Western Europe’s demand for Russian oil. Everybody BUT America seems bent on taking different advantages of this situation. There are hideous Americans, right now, who I wouldn’t lift a finger to defend… unless someone was trying to murder them simply for being Americans. I’ll make that pact with ANY American willing to make that pact with me. And America is willing to make the same pact with any other nation. This conflict is about one nation’s proven, CURRENT threat to people of other nations. The most peaceful outcome of this conflict depends on the United States winning. The more strength Americans amass, the fewer lives will be lost. ‘Course, now… where you’re concerned… Looks like you need a course in enemy identification. Maybe an Al Qaeda training camp would help. The clouds of war are gathering. There will be only two sides. Time is running out.
“If Iraq wins, you’ll have gotten into bed with murderers.”>>> Noodle ->>> I’m not sure it’s that simple.>>> Just for the sake of political argument, consider the undisputed genocide > of virtually an entire race of Native Americans. The first known case of > weapons of mass destruction (in this case - bacteriological weapons) might > arguably be when the U.S. Army gathered small pox infected blankets from > hospitals and… well, it really didn’t happen that way did it?>>> Aside from the alleged use of bacteriological warfare on Indians, there > are plenty of other examples of murder of unarmed native men, women and > children being slaughtered at the hands of the U.S. Army. Add to that the > murder and mayhem that was committed by countless civilian hunters, > traders, miners, etc. that went unpunished - indeed, in some cases > rewarded, and you have a pretty strong case.>>> Can an argument be made that the annihilation of 2-300,000 men, women and > children when we nuked Hiroshima and Nagasaki was murder? The genetic pool > is affected to this day. Even the pilot of the Enola Gay has been quoted, > “My god, what have we done?” Yeah, it was war, but…>>> On a smaller scale, does anyone remember the story of My Lai in Viet Nam? > Lt. William Calley and his gang of merry makers shooting and skewering > unarmed men, women and children on their bayonets as they ransacked the > village?>>> War sucks. When it gets right down to it though, we can be, and have been, > guilty of some serious shit. It really doesn’t help the situation to point > a finger at “murderers.” It’s kind of like tracking down > terrorists… at what point does the process go full circle and come right > back at us?>>> George Bush has said, “Either you support us, or you support the > Taliban.” I’m not sure it’s that simple either. If we can’t gather > international support through the U.N. for military action, we may end up > shooting ourself in the foot. Better yet, cooler heads may prevail and a > peaceful solution will be found. I’m not holding my breath. Hey, I know, lets just kick back, go to the beach, and wait for the next attack. Not. Appeasement is the most dangerous course of action. Remmember that guy Chamberlain who made the deal with Adolf in the 1930’s? Everything was going to be cool right? What a joke! The people who attacked us on 9-11 incinerated 3000 of our countrymen. Remember Pearl Harbor? Conspiritory theorys and “political arguments” aside, we were attacked. Did you hear about the Rand think tank study which said the next terror attack (with a w.m.d.) could result in 3 millon dead in, say, California? Thankfully we have leadership willing to take on the threat, and men with rifles and the intestinal fortitude to use them to protect YOUR freedoms.
My english isn’t good so i’ll didn’t write to much on this because probably i wouldn’t express what i really want. My Mother and sister lived in the US for some years, and beleve me, from inside you can’t really see all what your country is doing to other countries. All of we, people from de “1st” world are getting a big part of our money from the work of all those poor familys from the 3rd world, just think on Nike, for example. So this countries (usually governed by dictators, or fanatics) now want to know why in the USA and western Europe we live way better than they if they wake up every morning to work for us, just as we do… The only diference is that we had born in a rich country an they had born in a poor country. Beleve me, if any of us had born in a poor country, now we’ll be fighting for “our rights”, and for a better life for our sons, and probably to, we’ll be trying to travel to any rich country to stay there, even illegaly,because there we’ll live better, and our sons will live better to. I think that is a natural thing to fight for giving a better live to yours. But is obvious than this isn’t what their governors want, what their governors want is just more power and money, the same as our governors, as your governors. It’s a shame, but is true. And beleve me, the way your president is doing things isn’t the way to set the peace in the world. Ofcourse we must stop Sadam, but we must considere every action we do. Why we didn’t stop the war in eastern Europe?, maybe we just fight to protect our money, not to set the peace in the world, so we must be sincere to ourselves and know that our armys just fight for our money, not for the peace in the world. You Americans have to really care about what your governors are doing out of your country because the people in the world are judging you by this actions, and you arent the ones that directly choose each action. I prefer to life in a better world than in a reach country, what about you? i think everyone have to do to hisself this question. I hope you catch me right. I have some good American friends, so i’m not saying that you are the criminals or something like that!!!, I’m just talking about people in the world that is suffering our richness. Good waves and a better world. Coque.
John, You’re talking about what some Americans did to other Americans many > generations ago. Noodle - Actually, not that long ago. Viet Nam is my generation.>>> Course, now… where you’re concerned… Looks like you need a course in > enemy identification. Maybe an Al Qaeda training camp would help. Noodle - Unarmed men, women and children are, genrally speaking, not my enemy. Bin Laden is a bad guy. Saddam Hussein is a bad guy. The guy who murdered that little girl in El Centro, Ca is a bad guy… do we bomb San Diego?
I did my 6 years active duty in the armed forces from '75-'81 so please don’t get the wrong idea. Remember after 9/11 last year, when we are all brothers?
So instead of delaying America’s defense by race baiting, we’ll delay it by class baiting. Coque, You’re a good hearted person, and on the right track. Caring about other people is a good thing. The goal is to help other people, right? The people you’ve been listening to have convinced you that caring about other people is a measure of human value. And because they c a r e more than other people, they are more valuable than other people. You earned your money, but I understand. If you can give charity money to help someone who needs it, then that’s great. The problem? You aren’t helping people. You’re harming them. You’re teaching them that they don’t have to get an education, to innovate, to work, or to produce in order to survive and prosper. Indeed your money provides the opposite effect. Your money teaches these people that depending on other people is the way to survive. It’s kinda like feeding wild birds. You teach them to eat your food. But when you move to another house, the birds all die. But worse, people are more like termites. You are feeding starving termites. Feeding them swells their numbers, and gives them an appetite for destroying your house. You will have to move. Then they’ll all starve. There are countless examples. Now, remember our goal? Helping other people, right? But caring about other people won’t necessarily help them. The solution of the people you listen to for curing other peoples’ poverty? Give them your money. By doing so, the people you listen to gain wealth and power. They are selfish. It’s bad enough that you have to give up your hard earned money, but your “friends” are using it to destroy your neighbors, your culture, your civilization, and you. Everyone everywhere would be better served if you would burn your money. In the U.S. we have a much hated person, Bill Gates. Mr Gates is the wealthy boss of Microsoft, a giant corporation. Why do people hate Mr Gates? He seems greedy. He seems to do everything for his own personal gain. Mr. Gates employs on the scale of 40,000 Americans, and insists on making a profit from their sweat. His company buys $millions in computer parts, made in sweat shops around the world. His computer products employ a HUGE network of computer retailers. Mr. Gates is truly a greedy person. But let’s look deeper. Mr Gates is directly feeding 40,000 American families. Around the world, Mr. Gates is teaching probably 200,000 bread winners valuable skills. As these greedy people caringly feed their families, they provide countless world citizens with products which increase their ability to hire more people, and feed countless more families. As these people earn a living, they learn that they are responsible for limiting their own expenses, and limiting the number of mouths they must feed. These things benefit other people as they benefit our civilization, our culture, and you. So we have a problem. The guys who appear to “care” are harming people, including you, for their own enrichment, and are leading to the destruction of civilization. But the guys who appear “greedy” are helping everyone. Hmmmmm… I know way too many people like you. You lack confidence in your ability to thrive in free competition. That’s why scrapping the system sounds so good to you. Think about it. Instead of looking for excuses to destroy civilization because you weren’t born king, perhaps you should be looking for peaceful ways to earn your royal station.
Thank you for your service to our country. However, for this issue, the fact that you were once a patriot means no more than the facts of what some Americans once did to other Americans. Again, the issue here is our survival. We are going to remove Saddam’s threat. Can you be a patriot now? You may lead or follow, but get out of the way.
Sorry, I’m still seething from Western European accusations that my countrymen want to kill innocent Iraqis for personal gain. Weapons inspectors will hunt and peck for a year or so, then as the election year approaches, let the war begin. We and them , it’s all lies
Sorry, I’m still seething from Western European accusations that my > countrymen want to kill innocent Iraqis for personal gain.>>> Weapons inspectors will hunt and peck for a year or so, then as the > election year approaches, let the war begin. We and them , it’s all lies Sorry, I’m still teething. We and them, it’s all lies. It’s all lies and all eyes are on allies and their lies. Some capitalize “I”'s, and some small “i”'s, “I”'s. “Bring us some onions, that will make our ice water” … Surf your brains out, while you still can … [blush]
Sorry, I’m still teething. We and them, it’s all lies. It’s all lies and > all eyes are on allies and their lies. Some capitalize “I”'s, > and some small “i”'s, “I”'s. “Bring us some > onions, that will make our ice water” … Surf your brains out, > while you still can … [blush] have fun
Thank you for your service to our country. However, for this issue, the > fact that you were once a patriot means no more than the facts of what > some Americans once did to other Americans. Being a patriot does not necessarily mean blindly following a leader. In the land of the free and home of the brave, independent thought is still OK.>>> Again, the issue here is our survival. We are going to remove Saddam’s > threat. Hopefully not at the expense of thousands of innocents. By the way, where the F…K is Osama Bin Laden?>>> Can you be a patriot now? You may lead or follow, but get out of the way. That ranks right up there with “My Country Right or Wrong”, “God said it, I believe it and that settles it” and several other rather meaningless cliches.
First off all atleast my country don’t care a bit about the oil prices. Actually we’d make more money if the price increases. I would think the citizens of the USA would care more about a 10% or more increase of the gas prices if the price was $5 pr. gallon. Secondly, there is a large debate on what immidiate threat Saddam and Iraq poses. One part of this is also how much of a threat Iraq is to Europe vs. USA. However as we are allied I would bet that if the USA attacks Iraq the Europeans will join in, with or without a UN resolution. Thirdly, under international law there is a very clear definition of what aggression is. Prepering for war or an attack is not clearly defined as aggression for a number of reasons. Thus attacks on Iraq may be considered an aggression and a violation of international law. Fourth, there is a fair chance that an attack on Iraq will only lead to a humaniterian disaster and not rid the world of Saddam Hussein nor his possible mass destruction weapons. Fifth, if we, the western countries, does not care about international law or humanitarian right or use them to our own benefit, why should any other nations care? The message sent is equally important as the actions taken. I’d rather have this go through the UN. I might add that the voices speaking out against the developement of mass destruction weapons in Pakistan and India are few. Pakistan is not a democracy and have numerous reports of violations of human rights, yet as long as they are our friends they are allowed to carry on. What will happen when Pakistan “see clearly”? I might also remind you that the only nation to ever have used nuclear weapons was a democracy… Remember whenever someone tells their version of the thruth and someone else tells another version of the thruth, the thruth lies somewhere in between(that goes double for “thruths” told in the media). Right or wrong are not binary values, they are analog. regards, Håvard
The problem? You aren’t helping people. You’re harming them. You’re > teaching them that they don’t have to get an education, to innovate, to > work, or to produce in order to survive and prosper. Indeed your money > provides the opposite effect. Your money teaches these people that > depending on other people is the way to survive. You see this from your point of view, try to see this from the hand that reach out for helps view. There are people who are never given the oppertunities that you have. Without education available nor food nor work it’s hard to produce or innovate. How do you learn to produce or innovate without education? Alot of people don’t even know how to read while we take it for granted. If you appreciate the oppertunities you have it would only be just and fair to give something back. Many countries suffer today because of the explotation done by western nations. It’s not that long ago and we should not forget. Are you familiar with a term called “help to help themselves” or something similar? It’s basically help to build schools and industry or help to grow crop so people can get by on their own rather then just being fed. In a crisis I’d rather see people fed then starve though. Help comes in different forms. The USA have a history of helping nations to arms. I’ll live it to you to decide if that’s right or wrong. Europe would never be what it is today without the Marshall help. Think about that for a while. regards, Håvard
I’m getting really tired of selfish Europeans trying to claim that America’s support for Afghanistan when the Soviet attacked her in the ‘80s somehow reduces our righteousness when we respond to Afghan aggression in the new millennium. It’s bullsh*t. The USSR attacked Afghanistan. We helped arm Afghanistan. Afghanistan surrogates attacked the United States. With your nations’ help we responded. If you don’t like it… tough. You’re wrong. The Iraq problem has been through the U.N. fourteen times. Each time, Saddam has refused to comply, while obfuscating the issue of disarmament. The UN carrying on this farce amounts to the UN siding with Iraq. As I said before, there is no world police organization. The UN is like a condom with a hole in it. You get a false sense of security while being screwed. First, you’re quote of $5.00 per gallon for Norweigian is based as usual on a 25% larger British gallon. Second, Norway crude DOES compete on the international oil market. Iraqi crude added or subtracted from that market determines the supply and price of North Shore crude to Norwegians. Third, The high price of gas in Norway, like ALL of Europe isn’t caused by the price of crude oil. It’s caused because your friends and neighbors choose to vote themselves tax money from your pocket. If you don’t like it, then fix the problem, socialism.