In the event of a huge earthquake, I will be hiding under Balsa’s shaping stand.
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In the event of a huge earthquake, I will be hiding under Balsa’s shaping stand.
Yes, Scottw, I think you’ll be safe… 6" x 6" lumbers with 4" x 1" boards assembled between to make it steady. Also makes a perfect place to put tools on (planes, surforms, sanding pads…) so they are always easily reached. I have a patent pending on this one. Naaaah, kidding…
I think that you already know that I don’t do ‘nice’ edges Carl.
As for weight, I can make my boards lighter using wood if I want to.
Can I watch your video now please?
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Lol, don’t get defensive Roy, I didn’t know, thats why I was asking! Not to hijack the thread, but what is your rational for the weight of your boards, and the reasoning behind not using edges? Would you consider your boards displacement or planing craft? Just in case, so we are clear by what I mean http://www.boatsafe.com/kids/022298kidsques.htm 
-Carl
Hi Carl,
I find that heavy boards feel good, partly because they lower the centre of effort and centre of gravity of board and rider, and they increase the wave based force which drives board and rider.
As far as my use of soft edge free rails goes, I find them forgiving when compared with edgy rails.
Regarding the displacement/planing nature of my boards, they all move between a ‘displacement’ state and a planing state as they accelerate. . . just like other boards. . . . although my tunnel boards also use lift from an immersed foil, as ‘hydrofoil’ craft do.
Not sure if this answer is going to satisfy. . . . I have a feeling that you are driving at something, if so let’s have it please!
Regards,
Roy
Sorry Roy, Thats it- I was just curious! To each his own. No point in me posting any video though, I’m not much of a speed demon…! Thanks for the quick answers!-Carl
there was disscussion of a composite made to one of roys designs in the future
i think i could make that 7 pintail at about 2.3 kg (whats that, about 5 pounds or so)
deffinately would be interested in the future,when im better set up
ive been using a good supply of paulownia from roys stash for my compsands
very stoked about that!
also i plan to test ride the tunnel fin at some stage as well
roy, if you cut the end off your shortboard ,it would look pretty much identical to a modern fish design!
Man, I am glad I asked! So much wisdom and experience, BAM, just like that. I sincerely want to thank everyone for their input. I learned quite a bit, for one thing, to resist the impulse to generalize. (Leedd, Silly, RichardMc, Ambrose, Balsa, Kendall, Carve Nalu)
I’d also like to mention, ART. I blew soy milk thru my nose when I read about him liking wide tailed broads,… if they were not too fast.
And, THRAIKILL who is just such an inspiration. After talking to him last summer at the Cerritos College deal, and seeing his Island square tailed beauty, I took my tail widths to a personal extreme. Mine is 9’ X 22.1/4 X 2 3/4, N 16 1/2", T 16 1/4", giant swallow tail 10" between points, 1 1/2 # styro, with a 9" single fin for So Cal. I think it is the fastest board I have ever ridden. The board absolutely leaps down the face, it feels like an airdrop sometimes, when it isn’t even close. (Fast, like Matt, Reverb, Silly, Rickholt, Craftee, and others posted.)
Thanks again all, SICKDOG
Hi silly,
yes, chop the pintail into a fish . . .or if you just extrapolate the tail rails of a fish you have an extreme pintail with the wide point way forward,I have one drawn like that on my workshop floor at 9 feet, just a half moon across the tail, just wondering why I would want to remove the pintail, so haven’t done it yet.
regarding that compsand, the order has been in for a while . . . . maybe the price is too low, how about a board for you and a board for me, pay you some woodand maybe some folding. . . . . aren’t you well set up enough already, or is it a length issue . . . can you do up to 9 feet ?
tunnels are 2 weeks away, already shipped.
your welcome sickdog
ive got a 16 wide tail as well but i find it a little bit wiered on hard turn cutbacks
so i only surf it when its really mushy
or as a spare
roy
well at this stage i cant do over 8 foot unless i make another bag
im in the permanent bag camp.cuz i hate waste
and i cant really afford the 150$ for another bag at the moment(will do in the future)
cuz i want to buy a router and some other bits and pieces.
but id be happy to do that shorty if you send me a hardboard rocker template and half outline template
either that or just wait some few months till i make a bag
paulownia skins would be the cheapest but there a bit heavier than balsa
but the water resistant factor is big plus
balsa sucks water and goes soft if dings or pinholes are left unatended for longer than a few minutes
also it developes a black mold, and its engrain is like a drinking straw.
if you ding balsa, its exit stage left.
i use it because it is cheap and light
other wise i would use corecell,cedar,fir or paulownia
im in the process of making a paulownia skined indestructafish
and it looks great , with the thinner strips (paulownia looks so good with resin or stain)
actually swaylockers might mistake for one of yours
also i would recomend 2 times 4 oz outer glass all over
if you want i can give more details of my construction process by email
so you can make one yourself…
ive really got them working well
and making them in reasonable timeframes
i can build under 2 kg. immpossible to dent with hand pressure.and very unlikely to break
ive tested them in crowded hollow rivermouth breaks (up to 15 hours a week for the last 6 months)and another 10 months before that in point and reef
so i know what they can/cant handle
and there pluses and minuses
i think shingle rivemouths are the most extreme conditions for a surfboard to endure.
there is submerged logs and a lot of debris not to mention that usually its only knee deep on the banks
so often the waves can be pretty bone jarring even at small sizes
also the rips are pretty intense after rain so you really notice a good paddler…
anyway will discuss in the future…
also ive worked out a way to make really light hws
i think youd like it
thanks for this thread Sickdog, ive been in stiches all week.
5 yaers back I watched a wave ridden by 2 surfers at Ventura Point, “the pipes”
both surfers took off at the same time @20’ apart
The guy on the inside was a very talented young surfer (obvious) @45kg riding a 5’6” x 16 7/8" x 2" squash tail
The guy on the outside @75kg also talented (my observation) was riding a 9’1” yater longboard
The wave was walled up, fast peeling, not tubeing, about 8 Stanley feet high and powerful. A classic Californian type point wave we all dream about…
The longboard rider angled in slightly on take off and went straight into a speed trim in the top third of the wave moved forward a little on his board and stayed there all the way down the line. He was flying and it was obvious he was stoked by the grin on his face…, the wave of the day,… max speed just beating the curl and 100 meters later let out a yehhhaaa with joy as he slipped over the back of the wave to avoid the section ahead.
Completely oblivious to him (till just as he kicked out, just as he let out his yelp) the kid dropped half way down the face and launched into a series of five or six (I lost count) front foot drive bottom turns off the top projected re entries, and kicked out as the section came down with an areial boost landing 20 foot beyond the longboarder.
Observation:
From take foot to section about 100 meters.
The wave was ideal for comparative purposes, allowing both board types to reach their optimum performance.
The kid reached the section on or about the same time as the longboarder who gave up 20’ on take off
The kid rose and fell during maneuvers 5 or 6 times… therefore covering more distance from take off to section.
Speed is distance traveled divided by time of travel.
Kid wins…… stunned mullet loses…end of story.
The point:
A modern short board requires the kinetic and torque energy of the rider for lift to overcome drag and optimize performance of the hull design….
In the wave described above it would be difficult for the longboarder to take advantage of his kinetic energy to increase speed, therefore the design has speed limitations specific to hull shape.
(before you guys pick on me read that again I said “modern short board” a specific surfboard type…… not gun….the speed comparison was made against a 9’0 longboard on a 8’ face……and yes you can stand in the hollow part of the wave like a stunned mullet on a shortboard and plane…… go out onto the flats and sink.
nik…
There is an assumption there that longboard equals Yater, a standard icecream stick noserider. . . … as a general type probably the slowest longboards ever . . . . and the most common
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There is an assumption there that longboard equals Yater, a standard icecream stick noserider. . . … as a general type probably the slowest longboards ever . . . . and the most common
you just made 3 assumptions.
- longboard equals Yater!
2 As a general type, probably the slowest logboards ever!
- and the most common!
I made no assumption… the label on the 9’1 surfboard said “Yater”
enjoy… Nik
It appeared that you were implying that longboards are slower than shortboards, when perhaps you were actually saying that the Yater longboard in the story is slower than the shortboard in the story. . . . a big difference, just trying to establish exactly what you are saying.
Tom, again you are assuming and now implying the Yater surfboard in the story was slow.
It appeared that you were implying that longboards are slower than shortboards,
The point:
A modern short board requires the kinetic and torque energy of the rider for lift to overcome drag and optimize performance of the hull design….
In the wave described above it would be difficult for the longboarder to take advantage of his kinetic energy to increase speed, therefore the design has speed limitations specific to hull shape.
when perhaps you were actually saying that the Yater longboard in the story is slower than the shortboard in the story. . . .
Kid wins…… stunned mullet loses…end of story……. Yep… that’s what I said,
a big difference, just trying to establish exactly what you are saying.
Surfboards need surfers to ride them; see “the point” above.
TomBloke, do you have any suggestions as to what 9’1” longboard design would be a better example if this speed trial were ever able to be repeated?
Hello Nik,
It seems that your agrument is that longboards cannot use rider energy in order to accelerate because they have hull shapes which are not suitable for the purpose. . . . . . if so your theory has more to do with shape than length.
Personally, I would go for this balsa longboard, a 9’1" x 23" x 2", with an inch and a half of rocker:
I agree with Roy, I love those skinny tails, very fast…
My favourite
Hicksy can refresh the memory? . . . what is that board called? . . is it the moonrocket?. .
. have you ridden it in small surf and do you belong to the small wave gun riders club ?
If I remember rightly it has a shortboardish nose rocker with a flat tail and a dose of nose lift.
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PS strangely enough we have a fox terrier cross bitch called Pippi, (a scurrilous hound), what is the nature of your black and white pooch ?
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I only surf the Moonrocket in small surf…no real choice there…
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If I remember rightly it has a shortboardish nose rocker with a flat tail and a dose of nose lift.
Here’s a profile of it…
That’s Rex the Jack Russell, 10 years old now…
Rex is a LOVELY dog …so affable and gregarious .
Never try to take pizza from him , though .
to keep it design related …rex’s tail is around 6" , and thickness about 1-2" …seems to be fast enough for him . I’m not sure of 'Holly’s , but she seems to out manouevre him , at times …[I put that down to her being a grommette , though]
ben