And now for a little satire…
Sounds alot like the Illegal Alien problem in the US. I'll email the White House. Maybe Mullah Obama can learn a thing or two from this thread.
“If people didnt want it, It would not be made.” says mitchfromoz
that’s a pretty sad comment. What about child porno? You want to do that too? Cause they are people who want it!!
Great logic Mitch, looks like your integrity levels are pretty low…
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And now for a little satire...
[/quote] An eye opener. China isn't known for their business ethics. There are plenty of businessmen hungry to make a buck that got screwed dealing there.
My bottom line is WHY on Earth would I be willing to give up my passion and livelihood that pays my mortgage, and for my family to be safe and have choices in life for some guy halfway across the world to take my job?
How many of you on Swaylocks are willing TO GIVE UP YOUR JOB FOR SOMEONE IN CHINA?
Denial!....and u don't want to add to the discussion so that u don't add to mitch's thread...
my gosh! u have your head stuck so far in the sand it's scary!
reality is, don't blame china, don't blame Mitch....if anyone's to blame...blame the local surf industry for NOT looking after it's own local industry!
there's just too many hypocrites, it's time the industry wakes up, start supporting local shapers from your local surf shop....
there will always be a market for cheap product, u will never get rid of them, but if u lead and stay ahead of the pack the rest will always be following....
that's the problem with the surf industry, it's become so stagnant, so behind the times when it comes to embrasing newer and better technologies...
It's time to wake up and take charge of our industry....
ignoring these discussions solves nothing, creating local demand for our product will strengthen our local surf industries globally...
at the end of the day, don't blame Mitch, if there wasn't demand for his product, he wouldn't be making it...
real simple!
"reality is, don’t blame china, don’t blame Mitch…if anyone’s to
blame…blame the local surf industry for NOT looking after it’s own
local industry!
there’s just too many hypocrites, it’s time the industry wakes up, start supporting local shapers from your local surf shop…"
Yes, hyprocrisy just like the food industry and supermarkets versus farmers markets…
However, yes you CAN blame China and Mitch about their integrity.
Like the example I used further up, Yes, you can blame the people who make child porno even though there seems to be plenty of people wanting the “product”…
Mr.RonSurf Can you please stop asking for porn links on my thread,
This is a surfboard forum.
To others reading this post, Please to not indulge RonSurfs hidden agenda.
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He Mitch, I never said you were into child porn or anything like that.
I just made a comparison to show that it’s the same logic.
You say you make chinese factory boards because there’s a demand.
Child porn video makers say they have people wanting the product too. (= have a demand for it)
(which by the way I wouldn’t go near this S*** just like I know you wouldn’t Mitch)
So it’s the same principle, you also do unethical things (producing factory boards from under paid staff and with very little environmental care - chinese style, no debate on that! - etc… etc… etc…)
It’s not because there’s a “demand” that one should not be responsible/have integrity for what he/she sells…
got the logic now?
RonSurf
Of all the bad things you could have chose for your “demand vs morals” debate,
You chose the above topic…
Its a bit worrying.
"So it's the same principle, you also do unethical things (producing factory boards from under paid staff and with very little environmental care - chinese style, no debate on that! - etc... etc... etc...) It's not because there's a "demand" that one should not be responsible/have integrity for what he/she sells... got the logic now?"
NO, i don't !!!!
next time u buy anything made in china, make sure u don't buy it, that's your right, but if u do, watch out, for every finger u are pointing at Mitch u have 3 pointing back at you, so get real!
time of passing the blame on China is over!
get back to what made surfing real in the first place, local ...
if the rest of the industry supports buying from china, then place the blame squarely on them....
Mitch is doing nothing illegal, but child porn is! so your earlier comparison was stupid!
so when it comes to "blaming" anyone look at "home" where the real problem is ....
and not in china!
i rest my case!
Ps: for your reference , i'm not Mitch's friend or anything, but stupid remarks like yours really piss me off!
“Mitch is doing nothing illegal, but child porn is! so your earlier comparison was stupid!”
A lot of things that are legal in some places are immoral so don’t start with this simplistic analysis. Don’t call me stupid either.
Do you things child labor is not immoral? but it’s legal in some countries!
Do you think rainforest and biodiversity destruction is not immoral? but it’s legal in some countries!
Do you think force marriage a 14 year old to a 70 year old pervert is not immoral? but it’s legal in some countries!
Do you think dumping chemical and using child/adult cancer inducing toxic materials is not immoral? But it’s legal in most countries!
etc… etc… etc…
“for every finger u are pointing at Mitch u have 3 pointing back at you, so get real!”
Even if my background is not perfect (I too made plenty of mistakes),** I’m willing to get better and do better things that I’m been doing so far, **my latest track record is pretty good when it comes to integrity…
You guys need to open your eyes and review your moral standards maybe?
You can blame it on the customer, on the distributor and on the manufacturer as well…for sure
"You can blame it on the customer, on the distributor and on the manufacturer as well...for sure"
it's funny, your last sentence , one line is where u consider some blame to be laid...
IN MY OPINION, it's because of the customer , the distributor and the DEMAND that they are creating that allows factories like those in China to produce boards in the first place...
Take away the GREED and replace it with a strong Surf Ethic back home and China will never be an issue.
So, the bottom line is, don't blame China, they are not at fault for producing something that USA and other Global countries are asking for! if there was NO DEMAND for off-shore products then China's "immoral" world would NOT be tainting yours!
The battle is at home and not in China, get those narrower minded, greedy surf retailers to think about the surf industry first before putting their "immoral greed" before local manufacturers, who's contribution to the sport of surfing is undeniably required to keep the sport healthy, then we will see the surf industry go forward....
whats all the who ha about the cnuts could not build a decent board if they do it for the next millenium
Hey Mitch , I have some really nice boards for sale ,and I am keen to sell them in China or to any chinese surfers.....can produce in large numbers and many nice bright colours......can you help ? .........also some fancy shirts and some other stuff PM if your interested
Totally agree with Silly, for better or worse, calling it as it is...
Hozit surfrat, You hit the nail on the head, in the end the buyer is the guy who should consider where the board is made and buy American even if it costs a little more. We all know that most of the time buying American can cost a bit more but you are also investing in the good old USof A and keeping the money here and not sending away,never to be seen again. Aloha,Kokua
im only a baby in board building terms, but can already see the detrimental effect chinese imports are having on a fledgling culture here in Ireland…
my uneducated opinion…these “board whore” ex pat chinese wholesalers have forgotted what it is to be a surfer and are ruled by the dollar…
yes manufacturers need cheaper materials, or more cost effective methods…but should the price we pay be the dilution of culture. and ultimately the exploitation of our fellow human beings…
CHINA IS OVER.
They make them cheaper in Vietnam.
Vietnam is China’s China.
Even Chinese factory owners closed their Chinese factories because they could make more money building in Vietnam.
As for me, I’m still busy doing it all myself that I now have a deal to go back to just shaping and use a quality domestic glass shop that I know and trust for anything over 5 per week.
Bottom line: I’M NOT GIVING UP MY JOB TO ANYONE FROM ANYWHERE ELSE - WHY SHOULD I??? DuH… :o
the irony !...........how many Vietnamese surfboards do you get for $100 ?
Irony, karma…justice?
Depends on whose eyes you’re looking thru.
If the offshore labor devastated the U.S. and OZ, then eventually Asia’s standard of living would rise and WE would become “China’s China”!** :O**