currently in the market for a full suit-4/3 with attached hood.(or even a 5/4).Have not needed one like that for several years.Last one I had was a 5/4 o’neil with a back zip across the shoulders.(that was 15 years ago).I want something that is fairly easy to get in/out of and allows good range of motion for paddling, as my shoulders can’t take too much added stress.Any recommendations?As of now considering another O’neil with zip in front across shpoulders.Thanks.
currently in the market for a full suit-4/3 with attached hood.(or even a > 5/4).Have not needed one like that for several years.Last one I had was a > 5/4 o’neil with a back zip across the shoulders.(that was 15 years ago).I > want something that is fairly easy to get in/out of and allows good range > of motion for paddling, as my shoulders can’t take too much added > stress.Any recommendations?As of now considering another O’neil with zip > in front across shpoulders.Thanks. My dream wetsuit/drysuit… I was just about to build one, and then I came across this: http://www.conceptair.com/english/price/neoprene/neo_dry.htm
My dream wetsuit/drysuit… I was just about to build one, and then I came > across this:>>> http://www.conceptair.com/english/price/neoprene/neo_dry.htm Dale: All I get is a kite mfctr.is this the same sight?if so what did you see?thanks.
My dream wetsuit/drysuit… I was just about to build one, and then I came across this: http://www.conceptair.com/english/price/neoprene/neo_dry.htm Dale: All I get is a kite mfctr.is this the same sight?if so what did you see? thanks. Matt, I checked again, and dropped the above URL into Google and their website comes up just fine. Simply put, it`s a loose cut (like a sweatshirt), nylon hybrid drysuit top, integrated with a conventional, tight fitting neoprene/wetsuit from the waist down… allows total, non-binding freedom of movement and warmth in the upper body. Looks good, and an excellent idea… I want one! Dale
Matt,>>> I checked again, and dropped the above URL into Google and their website > comes up just fine. Simply put, it`s a loose cut (like a sweatshirt), > nylon hybrid drysuit top, integrated with a conventional, tight fitting > neoprene/wetsuit from the waist down… allows total, non-binding freedom > of movement and warmth in the upper body. Looks good, and an excellent > idea… I want one!>>> Dale Dale-got it!cool suits-a tad expensive but probably will last for a few years.Thanks for your input! Matt
Dale-got it! cool suits-a tad expensive but probably will last for a few years. Thanks for your input! Matt Matt, Ive talked with people who have the upper half of the suit made with a tough Goretex laminate. The suit "breathes" air, but not water/moisture. Absolute freedom of movement in the upper body. Companies outside of the surfing market are the ones who invest the big R&D money in high end performance products. Its always good to keep one eye open! Dale
Warmth & mobilaty, what a concept!! Very nice indeed!!
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ve talked with people who have the upper half of the suit made with a > tough Goretex laminate. The suit "breathes" air, but not > water/moisture. Absolute freedom of movement in the upper body. Companies > outside of the surfing market are the ones who invest the big R&D > money in high end performance products. Its always good to keep one eye > open!>>> Dale As I’m sure Dale well knows or is possibly referring to, check out the kayaking or sailing or commercial fishing catalogs. Especially kayaking catalog have drysuits and things which are mindblowers. Warmth comes from what you wear underneath andd the fact you don’t get wet…put on a nice set of polypro long johns and then a layer of pile/polarfleece jammies under a drysuit and …well, there pretty much isn’t a limit. Except, of course, for the Dude on the Beach, desperately waiting for wetsuit sponsorship.
Warmth & mobilaty, what a concept!! Very nice indeed!! $5.99??? Barnes & Noble … Wow …[blush] have fun!!
Once I get my long johns and polypros in there, I’ll barely have room for my Depends! Seriously, when wearing all that underwear, what does one do for uhh… relief???
Once I get my long johns and polypros in there, I’ll barely have room for > my Depends! Seriously, when wearing all that underwear, what does one do > for uhh… relief???
actually John, you’ll sweat so much the issue won’t arise! Probably a good way to lose weight. Kind of nice thought however, since it seems like winter is already here on the west coast. I tested a bunch of late-80’s state-of-art drysuits back then, and they certainly had benefits and drawbacks. For serious cold only! Didn’t get to use any enough to see how wear patterns developed (these were, after all, designed for other water sports). They all had latex “gaskets” around wrists, ankles, and neck - you had to trim to fit. Really kept you dry. The thought of having maybe a neoprene drysuit bottom (think neoprene stockingfoot fishing waders) with the free and easy waterproof nylon top of one of these drysuits - similar to what others mentioned - sounds like a good way to do winter cold.
I tested a bunch of late-80’s state-of-art drysuits back then, and they > certainly had benefits and drawbacks. For serious cold only! Didn’t get to > use any enough to see how wear patterns developed (these were, after all, > designed for other water sports). They all had latex “gaskets” > around wrists, ankles, and neck - you had to trim to fit. Really kept you > dry. The thought of having maybe a neoprene drysuit bottom (think neoprene > stockingfoot fishing waders) with the free and easy waterproof nylon top > of one of these drysuits - similar to what others mentioned - sounds like > a good way to do winter cold. How about duckdiving with this thing? If it traps air and is loose fit it would seem like it would be, litterally, a drag to duckdive. A friend of mine have a regular neoprene drysuit and it’s falling apart and leaking badly plus the thight seals around the wrists keeps his hands really cold, even with gloves. Bdw. I wouldn’t thrust any gaskets or seals in a good sized winter rince cycle. regards, Håvard
unless a wetsuit is made specifically for surfing, it wont be any good for surfing. they are made skin tight for a reason. those dry suits are made for diving or something. to see what they feel like. put on a rain coat jacket and pants tape your ankles and wrists and neck. then paddle out for a surf. cause thats what those dry suits will feel like .
unless a wetsuit is made specifically for surfing, it wont be any good for > surfing. they are made skin tight for a reason. those dry suits are made > for diving or something. to see what they feel like. put on a rain coat > jacket and pants tape your ankles and wrists and neck. then paddle out for > a surf. cause thats what those dry suits will feel like . miquil, Thank you for the input. Which one of the Concept Air drysuit felt like a taped raincoat to you? Please let me know the model number of the suit you tested so that I can investigate this further. I have had success using a number of products that are not surfing specific. If there’s one thing we can learn from Swaylock’s, it is to keep an open mind. When you venture outside the world of surfing, you greatly increase the options that are available to you. Think of something that is the furthest from being surf related and then figure out how you can apply it to your craft.
How about duckdiving with this thing? If it traps air and is loose fit it > would seem like it would be, litterally, a drag to duckdive. A friend of > mine have a regular neoprene drysuit and it’s falling apart and leaking > badly plus the thight seals around the wrists keeps his hands really cold, > even with gloves.>>> Bdw. I wouldn’t thrust any gaskets or seals in a good sized winter rince > cycle.>>> regards,>>> Håvard Havard Once you put the things on, air should be expelled by holding usually the neck gasket open a bit - harder to do than it sounds since they are tight buggers. Then just pull the loose fabric in to force air out. As for the seals and cold hands/feet, that would make sense in frigid water since they pretty much don’t offer any insulation and probably restrict blood flow. As for rinse cycles, I think they would stand up ok - surf kayakers do ok. I’m out of that loop, but they probably use some form of neoprene or nylon gloves over the hands/seals. I’m postulating in regard to maybe making more comfortable suits for moderately cold temps. If I was in frigid temps I’d be thinking more along lines of dive suits, or snowboarding… Nels
I have had success using a number of products that are not surfing > specific. If there’s one thing we can learn from Swaylock’s, it is to keep > an open mind. When you venture outside the world of surfing, you greatly > increase the options that are available to you. Think of something that is > the furthest from being surf related and then figure out how you can apply > it to your craft. …So true…Since I started builing hollow boards, I look at many and varied materials and think “I could build a board with that”… Paul
miquil,>>> Thank you for the input. Which one of the Concept Air drysuit felt like a > taped raincoat to you? Please let me know the model number of the suit you > tested so that I can investigate this further.>>> I have had success using a number of products that are not surfing > specific. If there’s one thing we can learn from Swaylock’s, it is to keep > an open mind. When you venture outside the world of surfing, you greatly > increase the options that are available to you. Think of something that is > the furthest from being surf related and then figure out how you can apply > it to your craft. In the past, I
ve had very good results and a fair bit of experience using the famous ONeill “Supersuit”, a neoprene hybrid drysuit/wetsuit with the specialized air/water sealed zipper… also very good results with custom “Aquala” rubber drysuits: (http://www.aquala.com/aquala.html) Ive also successfully experimented with creating my own drysuit equipment. Wetsuits, drysuits and their newest hybrids are all completely valid, proven ideas... contingient upon whos making them, how well theyre cared for after purchase, and an individuals specific wants and needs. The surfing industry has had little effect on the cutting edge of serious exposure suit R&D, or production. The fact is, all kinds of very high tech, cool things are out there being used every day by all sorts of outdoor enthusiasts. Many of these products are custom, handmade, fit to the individual`s needs. As I said, it pays to keep one eye open… Dale
Once you put the things on, air should be expelled by holding usually the > neck gasket open a bit - harder to do than it sounds since they are tight > buggers. Then just pull the loose fabric in to force air out. As for the > seals and cold hands/feet, that would make sense in frigid water since > they pretty much don’t offer any insulation and probably restrict blood > flow.>>> As for rinse cycles, I think they would stand up ok - surf kayakers do ok. > I’m out of that loop, but they probably use some form of neoprene or nylon > gloves over the hands/seals. Atleast for the most, they have to luxury of having their hands above water. I’ve got a now retired sailboard wetsuit that I used for surfing. The flappy arms was creating enough drag so you could feel it. I would be worried even if you got all the air out of the suit that the extra material would create extra drag and cause problems when duckdiving. I’m having a hard enough time getting out in serious winter conditions anyway.>>> I’m postulating in regard to maybe making more comfortable suits for > moderately cold temps. If I was in frigid temps I’d be thinking more along > lines of dive suits, or snowboarding… A local company makes the perfect winter suit: 7mm zipperless with good seals, custom fit. If I just had the money… Oh well, There is always snowboarding. regards, Håvard
Dale-got it! cool suits-a tad expensive but probably will last for a few > years. Thanks for your input! Matt>>> Matt,>>> I
ve talked with people who have the upper half of the suit made with a > tough Goretex laminate. The suit "breathes" air, but not > water/moisture. Absolute freedom of movement in the upper body. Companies > outside of the surfing market are the ones who invest the big R&D > money in high end performance products. Its always good to keep one eye > open!>>> Dale Dale-does the upper portion fit loose and create drag??
Dale-does the upper portion fit loose and create drag?? Drag factor negligible, and surfers rarely experience the same air velocities or forces as do sailboarders… buying custom removes a fair bit of any excess material that might be present in a non-custom… plus as Nels stated, it
s common practice to purge any excess air out of the suit just prior to use. Its a subject worthy of further investigation. Dale