wow this is pretty confusing stuff. but it’s very helpful
not to highjack but would a VEE just under the front foot work with a twinzer? I know zero about this so bear with me. Thanks
“I have a customised pencil which I’ve shaved down with a planer and sand paper, resulting in a fine wide tip.”
OK, there might be cooler / more “Shopheads Anonymous” tools on Sways, but this has to be in the top ten!
This method is very similar to the guideposts JC mentions in his video for setting rail bands, and this is what I’ve done but just with the dots, not a whole line drawn with the reverse template- very cool!
I just did a rolled vee on my latest project and would love to see tips from the masters on how to keep it from getting flat. Seemed like it should just be a subtle deck dome on the bottom, but the planer likes to cut flat. Anybody use curved sanding blocks mostly for rolled vee?
Hey,
I am still thinking about putting a V onmy first board, especially since it has a fairly wide tail. The thing is, all the reading here does not really do me ny good since I seem to be the visual learning type (which sucks to be honest)…
Does anyone have a visual guide to shaping a V into the tail of a board. Really simple step by step stuff would be great.
cheers,
Sebastian
This is terrific! I have just learnt a whole lot more about V’s and will definitely give them a go. Thanks to all.
If you already have your rocker cut, Vee is extremely easy.
First determine how far up you want the Vee.
Second, grab the planer and open it up at least half way.
Step your cuts up the rail.
18" up both sides evenly.
14" up the same.
10’ up.
6"
3".
Less passes for less Vee.
Blend them all with the planer.
If you look at the bottom, it should now have Vee.
With my long arms, I blend it all in with the Surform.
Finish board as usual.
This works for me.
And it takes seconds.
Here’s the BEST way to surform or sand in vee with your 10-11" hard block! Use the block diagram as reference when you surform or sand… note: remember the vee generally peaks between the fins, and zeroes up at the forward most point however long your vee is? In my pic - that’s 1/3 the length of board…so zero there at the top… 1/8"-1/4" between the fins, and 1/8" out the back, or zero out etc… some even let it carry… visualize shallow at top, deepest between fins, shallower out back.
And think upside down v shape…apparently there’s several variations, but you’ll have plenty of time to experiment if you plan to shape more boards.
Note: the angles of the block or surform… that’s the path you want…ofcourse you’ll be applying MORE pressure towards the rail side to form vee… go easy! It does not take much. Let me know what you think!
thank you so much! that really helped! I was about to go ham on a block of chesse to get a feel for what I have to do…
np! Another thing to do to double check your vees or concaves is to use a yard stick… you tip it to a side and measure depth…if it’s shy on a side you can sand lightly til it’s right. I recommend 1/8" on average, but some people like 1/4"! I’ve shaped two w 1/4" of vee - which kill it in waves under 6’. But now I decided less is the ticket. I say try 1/8", but also leave the end at 1/8" or flatten if you want it faster… and if it has a tad off vee back there it’ll be fine. A shaper once told me to roll the spine down the stringer slightly to increase speed. I just tried it and I’ll let you know how my test ride goes.
To soften the spine out I just used my block plane and sanding block. Don’t spend much time there, you want to hit it once or twice, sand to clean up scratches and your done. Just hit the stringer where the vee is…I start the plane at the top - and plane right out the tail ! It looks almost softened at the spine slightly.-Jim
Another point is to: when you cut the vee in - you want to take EDGES down to however you want it closer
and out the rail… I use pu foam for now, and I take my surform in the lines similar to my drawing and almost saw the edges down first… it looks messy at first. Then you clean it up a little w surform, and carefully finish with an 11" sanding block w 60 grit until its nice and square… or the panels are defined. You’ll know once you’re there. Good luck! Ps: follow the block diagram for reference as it REALLY increases the vee! Like I said -it shouldn’t take long… but keep an eye on your pencil marks so you don’t overkill.
Did someone get spell check finally ??? hahahaha
no, but my smirnoff screwdriver in Orange flavored malt beverage is to blame for… da typos…
DA FOAM!
Not a sanding block. Read Barry’s post. Read it again.
Keith - I don’t mind how anyone else likes to cut in vee… weather planer or not. I’m just explaining how to finish, or even shape in vee w by hand… I’m also aware - like twenty people already covered it…but remember some new Folk’s don’t know the general concept of setting up vee. And one gentleman found my tip helps…
Keith - ty I just read -Barry’s post again - that sounds excellent! Upfront, I have yet to plane in vee, but I personally just do it by hand as I feel safer w hand tools is all. I just feel the best way for me is to do it like told. Obviously it’s not the best way… what I meant it’s just the best way for me to sand vee in… not sure how I oveelooked his post? Again, thanks for pointing it out.
Shapa,
Power-tools are your friend.
Cuts quick and symmetrical.
Just watch your fingers.
Barry - thanks for the heads up! And excellent write up! Oh, I heard you had an infection. Get well soon. Upfront, I had once used a towel at a house and caught staff…thank God I got rid of it… eat sum blueberries ! I read they are extremely good for health. Tons of vitamin c!
You should host a shaping Seminar man! Charge and make sum dough! I’d probably come.
The only reason why I surform + block in the vee is that I don’t much
In. Plus I’m not super skilled w planer yet.
My planing is basically: thin bottom, skin deck, add contours, cut in rocker (if needed),foil deck, and turn rails…the rest I freestyle it w hand tools…I do plan to plane in vee etc… I just need more practice.
Practice,practice, practice.
Time spent with a planer pays off later.
85-90% done with the planer.
Efficient and consistant.
Barry - I’ll try it! A quick question. Do I want to slightly angle planer to cut those bands? Sorry w out pics it’s hard to visualize it.
Whatcha shaping for winter swells? I’m thinking 7’4"x 21" spear. Or sleek rp wp forward.
yep.
45 Degrees.