Bugs me how longboards with retro style glass are being called Pigs when they don’t even resemble one.
Same thing goes for Fish. Most of the fish I see are not fish. A young Hipster “shaper” makes quad fishes. I told him it wasnt a fish but a four fin swallowtail.
My rant for today
Fish for one generally have a fuller nose, straighter parallel outline, and tail cuts 10-12". Usually twin fin w keels. Mine is a Fish, but just “modified” & modernized. It’s a new animal to me anyways!?
Pigs are over nine foot and over 22-23.5 wide I think!? And have a 10x10 gigantic skeg for a fin! Or they’re single fins!
Quad swallow tails are not fish at all.
A fish tail must have a round curve in
Tail cuts, and not a straight cut swallow tail.a fish also seems to have wide point forward center to some degree. 3-4". Noses from 15-17" or so -tails 14-16" I think? Not sure?
Not again!!
Really? I mean really? Then what was I making with a pig template, that was 7’ 11’’ x 20’‘, in 1959? Hell, Velzy & Jacobs were doing it too! 10’’ x 10’’ D fins? Not really the norm. More like 8’’ x 8’', or smaller.
Bill
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Not again? What do you mean by that? I thought this was Swaylocks Surfboard Design Forum. Has it changed?
I also laughed at that, and shook my head in disbelief.
I had a Weber Pig in 1971. It was 5’8".
Technically, the modern thruster is a pig at heart. Those who know what a pig is will get that one.
But…a Weber Pig was not a pig. It was a shortboard that Weber called a Pig.
Bill - what im thinking someone else must have borrowed the name? Because they also seem to call the long board’s Pig’s to… the boards 22-23.5" wide with a big wide round nose…not sure how big the fins are.
The early pigs were named as such because the widepoint was aft of center. That’s what set them apart from other shapes of the day. Wide point back, with a relatively narrow nose. The Weber Pig fit that description.
Okay, I believe you guys… then wth are you these exaggerate wide hipped long boArd around nine six with a big kick in tail? Is it just a friggin nose rider!? Any pix of a good old hog!
Pig.
9’ 6" x 23.5" x 3.25"
Wide point back 9".
Big ol’ fin.
Normally starts a shit fight.
From the “way back” thinkin’ Velzy really first, also the name, the view of a pig from above, me believes.
I kinda like these discussions about surfboard names and styles. The thing with the English language is that it always changes, if enough people say the wrong thing often enough, it becomes the right thing! So language is not static, it is in a constant state of flux. And then it kinda degenerates when no one cares, words with specific meanings morph into generic terms with vague meanings.
So its ironic that the internet in general - and swaylocks in particular - is notorious for butchering the English language, but the only time we really stop and discuss it is for words like fish, pig, gun, down-rail, and spiral V (which I still have no clue about) hahaha - shows where our priorities lie!
I went to surfapig.blogspot.com, to see if I could get the definitive answer on what is a pig. Not exactly definitive, but this is what I found
Dale velzy made them turn… He came up with the Pig… Here is his link … surfboardsbyvelzy.com… from Dora to Weber they all surfed da Velzy pig… He came up with most of the shapes we still surf today Quigg did the Malibu Chip Velzy did the PIG and more
Hell, no!
I constantly see people on the net writing stuff like “would of, could of, should of”. Then, there’s “loose” when they mean lose, “than” instead of then, the repeated mixup of “their, there, and they’re”, etc.
It is all wrong and can never be acceptable. If you butcher something repeatedly, you cannot claim it to be right.
My latest pet peeve is the widespread use of “soft top” by people who are talking about soft boards. There is a big difference between the two.
I’d have to say no, judging by that photo. Parallel outline is not a pig shape.
Iggy’s board (on the right) looks like a classic pig outline. Wide point back and generous curve in the tail.
