Here’s the finished 6’3"x14 9/16"Nose x 20 1/4" x 14 1/2 tail quad that I posted in foam-form a few days ago. Took it out in overhead, very hollow NJ surf on Sunday and it worked great. First time with the McKee setup as well. Normally I do the back fins further up and toward the rail. The McKee thing seems to work great. More drive and more stable. This translates well to the rounder waves.
Holy contradiction!
Maybe if you had a clue what a fish is, there wouldn’t be any confusion. What you are talking about is nothing like a fish, so maybe you should not use the term, at all.
nice . very similar to mine . but mines 21 1/4 wide. i did a pretty deep single concave to flat. give a bit of bight and squirt on angled drops . especially if you like the fuller rails. good in the baz. will be surfing it over the next few days in some juice. onshore at the moment but the bomie is breaking out
yeah these boards are fishNouveau
or neofish
Mine is also a single concave to flat. Only about 1/8" deep.
should go like the clappers jamie. more feedback is esential. ill keep you in the loop
rocker measurements please. im about 27mm at 12inches from nose with flip at end. very flat through. tail is staged to 2 1/4 with lots of curve
im pushing my concave to about 5mm these days and moved convave entry forward of front foot. will try one all the way through to the tail at some stage. take the best of thruster and best of fish and get something better then both for big old dudes. mini guns suck
I have attached the boardcad spec sheet for this one (ignore rails and bottom contours). Nose rocker is 4.5 inches and tail about 2 inches. Concave goes from about 1 foot from the nose through the rear fins.
mines a 6 3 as well . im 6 3 and 85 to 88 kg about and 38 years old . will attempt to surf this up to triple overhead . but not hollow at that size. hollow up to head and half to doh.
but should go off in the mushy stuff as well. i well tucked that rail in the tail this time, again for more hold on angled drops. with fuller rails but edges are hard
yeah like slacklining ur right… they both have that suspended feel
Jamie. That looks like a great board. How far ahead of center is the wide point? What kind of fin set-up are you using? How much does the rider weigh?
Wide point is about 2 inches ahead of center. The first fin setup I put in there is the FCS PC5. I am about 200 lbs. I’ve only used the board once so far in overhead hollow rights and everything seemed pretty solid. I was thinking of trying slightly bigger fins (like the Rusty R2 Quads) but I’m not sure if it’s necessary.
Uh, yeah okay, great… why are the last two posts showing round tails? Or are we shifting to the significance of quads into the fish equation?
Ok, so original fish had twin keels which were high area based fins that fostered thought toward quads. Quads have more draw due to increased leveraging at the rail versus the typical tri center fin leverage. In another old thread I did about 2 years ago all this stuff gets discussed (quads are quick thread).
A round tail quad is NOT going to have the same action as a split tailed fish with a straighter plan shape. The release would be significantly different. Go tow them behind a boat and check out the lines coming off the split tail pins and//or wings if you employ those versus the release track made by a roundtail.
Nothing good nor bad being said here, just physics.
As far as Greenroom, NJ and others riding fish in bigger waves, if they are tight tubes, the wide tails DO have the predisposition to lifting up the wave as their wide tail area max out planing, or as some may describe as “over planing” make it difficult to sink the tail and achieve rail set. But that depends on bottom configuration, rocker, and other design elements. NJ’s assessment is pretty right on and in keeping with Greenroom’s. Ability of rider for board’s like this is prerequisite to an impressive outcome.
Quads are like drawn out twins, fish or not. Round tail outline looser than straight outline. Wings create forward pivot points, the bigger the wing with less area behind the closer to sting and so on.
I kinda like that name “Wizard’s Sleeve”! 
Happy New Year!
Not sure what your saying here? What about roundtail quads?
hi jamie i rode the board in head high clean peeling beach breaks today. the waves offered three or four turns per wave. felt a bit slugish but then again im not that impressed with small soft waves on any board. the thicker rails were harder to bury for pumping speed. got a couple of decent backahanders and i realy liked the feel but it felt like a retro twin on the forehand. waves were fat however and the board is designed for biger heavier and hollower waves where i dont have to pump for speed. the thicker rails are a drawback in this case i think. jury still out. i think pushing the width too far for hotdogging and vertical surifng. gunna move the widepoint back to 1 inch forward of center and drop the width to 20 1/4 tail to 14 ish and narrow the rails and make em more boxy . In saying all that though the board is 4 iches longer then my previous shortboard so maybe i just gotta plant the front foot further forward. may take a few surfs to find the sweet spot.
i put fcs 5s glassons. which worked great on the previous incarntation.
Silly,
Sounds like you are heading toward my dimensions (20 1/4 and 14 ish tail). I have relatively low-volume rails because I find it’s easier to penetrate the wave face on drops and turns, especially with the EPS construction. I hide the foam toward the middle.
I have only ridden the board once so far. Fortunately it was in the waves it was designed for: strong offshore wind, head-high+, hollow. Typical fall/winter NJ conditions. You can see photos from the day here: http://mjrphoto.smugmug.com/Surfing/New-Jersey-North-09/SNJ2/10779760_dYyNo#751435539_KQpwg. That is actually me on the orange board in the first 4 photos. This day was pretty much drop in and set up for the tube. Very fast. Not alot of turns. The board felt very solid and predictable. But I only got a handful of waves and have plenty more testing to do.
This board is a progression from the red 6’2" posted on page 1 of this thread and is different primarily in two ways:
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An extra inch of length and about 1/8" of thickness throughout.
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The Mckee setup with the fins (versus the rear fins further up and closer to the rail)
The extra buoyancy was immediately noticable in paddling and catching waves. We’ll see if it’s a plus/minus when I actually get to do some turns.
The McKee setup also seemed to compliment the design. More drive and stability. I am thinking right now that the McKee is the call for narrower (sub 15") tails and the rear fins up-out near the rail is better for wider tails (15"+) on smaller wave boards where you want more looseness/pivot skatey feel.
All of the above being said, it should be clear that I am very much a rookie shaper, but I am totally addicted to the design/build/surf process and the advice found on this forum has been absolutely priceless in helping me learn and progress.
nice waves. very similar to the stuff i get but our waves are more hollower on days and on some days almost the same as your ones. i guess your not thinking about turning most of the time. so to be fair i shouldnt judge yet my board yet. i think that thicker rails are a disadvantage in the tube and the reason retro fish dont really work in waves like this. when you ride high in the barrel its hard to adjust and you get fliped easy
ill think ill do one of huies as a quad that hes been posting in CDD construction. they have been proven. maybe getting as wide as i have i should have gone to quad setup to keep it loose
Here’s some really good examples of boards I’ve been looking for. And he’s in my neigborhood!
http://www.sevensurfboards.com/html/what_s_really_new.html
http://www.sevensurfboards.com/html/what_s_new.html
http://www.sevensurfboards.com/html/models_09_10.html
Wow. Those “Quadrajets”, “Fish Eggs” and “Carrots” look really nice.