Firewire in Asia take Two: Bert's boards made In Asia

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OK. I tried to respond civilly and constructively to an erroneous assertion, but I see that both civility and your error are lost on you in your hysterical and pathetic need to stomp on anyone who dares to challenge you. By rights, this thread should already be shut down in response to your scurrilous and unwarranted attacks on my character. Since it has not been, I’ll make a temporary descent to your gutter. You are a hopeless moron; a worthless, foolish, and illiterate piece of defecated slime that is apparently incapable of even the minimal intelligence required to use the spell checker so graciously supplied by our host. I have little doubt that you are are also a liar, that would be completely consistent with the other character attributes you have displayed. I retract my wishes for success, I now eagerly anticipate the privilege of gloating when you get your justly deserved rewards.

-Samam

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You were wrong you were told you were wrong. You don’t like it and you have finally shown your true character or should I say you complete total lack therof.

Now we can all see who you really are and what you are made of.

An angry rebel with an axe to grind. Not a shaper by any stretch.

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I’d like to add, if you had any sense of caution you should have seen this train coming and gotten off the tracks. You should have felt it in your nerves as you wrote “You are wrong about Starbucks” because you should have seen I mentioned the source and I cant possibly be wrong: If anyone is wrong he is, the CEO of Starbucks, so you instantly attacked the wrong person. Beginner mistake okay but it’s not the first time. I knew the pot was boiling over as soon as I received an email with your username, because you have done this sort of thing before. Attacking me with a skewed argument from some alien left field. Not cognizant of the facts and as if your computer is banned from Google.

And the gang you travel with, I’m sure everyone has taken note.

You will see no one has come to back me. Know why? Everyone knows I don’t need it. And why has thes thread not been locked? I did not break a single rule. And readership has been high.

Can you say that? I already know that answer, so don’t bother regaling me with another one of your charming replies.

Maybe you will think twice next time, before you say someone is wrong, before you check the facts.

The worst thing I can say to you that is absolutely true is that you are a troll.

I will admit my mistake. Feeding you.

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Hey you two,

Why don’t you battle it out with private messages, I’m sure most of us here don’t care.

And this thread should be in industry news anyway.

Where are the moderators?

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id ike to make 3 points …

1 thanks to all the crew who can see past the hype , the bad mouthing , and however else you could describe this thread

  to those people thanks for the support , even tho we have resources and some really professional crew working with us 

  it still takes time and effort to get the ball rolling and im sure it wont be perfect overnight , to date ive always run my  

  business , where if a customer felt hard done by , then i would rather take a loss than have an unsatified customer , 

  and while i may not be the guy in charge , as i dont have the final say , i can guarantee i will jump up and down and          kick and scream if there was anything unethical or that went against principles ive always held..

2 i respect everyones right to an opinion and whether i agree or disagree , it does give me an insight as to what crew

 really think , i would like to see a situation where everyone who is not in agreement or has some beef , just except  

 that your not going to agree with everyone , and that this thread can see a little harmony again ...

3 OTAY , the fcs story …

  to date no fin system could deliver either the durability or performance i really wanted , the main focus being durability  

  as far as performance , for me personally being 220lb , no fin exists in the range , so that was another down side .. 

  now what weve done is completly over haul the fcs set up and developed our own unique installation , which solves  

  2 problems , durability is insane , and the performance of the board is better than a set fin because it allows the  

  natural flex of the board to shine through unhindered , then with my own boards im building larger fins to suit and in  

  the near future we will have our own fin production which will be making fins specific to suit the boards , so we have  

  a fin fitting that is based on fcs but not like the fcs you would find in another board and we will have our own unique  

  fins to cover a broader range of people and performance needs ... so even tho some may not like fcs , the stuff we   

  have developed is another leap forward on fcs's current product range and style , some one even said recently " you  

  should sell that one back to fcs" ... so while it does seem ive done a backflip on my previous stance to fcs , its only  

  because its been overhauled and now does meet the standards of durability and performance i always seeked ...

other than that thanks to mike and sways , the sway crew for motivating me and making me realise that it was possible to get back on the bike , ive learnt alot from so many in here, not really about boards , but about so much other stuff that goes into making a business …

it works both ways , ive gained as much as ive given …

advice ive had here , both on and off screen , you would pay big money for …

as you guys would have guessed , i have been busy lately …

so you guys probably wont see me much until either everything has worked out great and ive got sway time again , or im broke and out of business and ive got sway time again .(greg , that last comment was a joke ),

but seriously , have got a huge to do list and im enjoying doing it …

so will be in from time to time , but not like the old days …

unless like this time , some thread starts such a stir , that it actually makes its way to us via other means like this one did , then i have to see what all the fuss is about …

some of the marketing guys were doing back flips over your bogus firwire ad hiroprotaganist …

ok have fun guys …

dont get to angry at each other …

regards

BERT

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Bert and Greg

Your generosity with your time and Knowledge over the years has been very much appreciated by the majority of users of this site. There are givers and takers in life. With regards to the swaylocks community your giving has far out paced any perceived taking. With that said, Congratulations, Good Luck, and Thank you.

The Silent Majority

Christian

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Bert and Greg

Your generosity with your time and Knowledge over the years has been very much appreciated by the majority of users of this site. There are givers and takers in life. With regards to the swaylocks community your giving has far out paced any perceived taking. With that said, Congratulations, Good Luck, and Thank you.

The Silent Majority

Christian

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Plus:

Greg and Bert, through their many posts, made my mind open up. They’ve helped alot.

And when Firewire is available, I’ll custom order a board just to see what it really is all about.

one thing about posts like these with all the stuff people have had to say . . . well you just have to look after yourself and so that in the future you can help others, go to the beat of your own drummer and do the best you can.

That’s a great lesson learned.

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X4. Yup, good luck with all your ventures. Although, personally, I try not to buy stuff from communist countries. You know. China, Viet Nam, and NZ. Kidding about NZ. Just lobbing Silly’s hand grenade back at him. mike

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[=1][=Black][ 2]Point is you can’t show me a commercially available board comprable to Bert’s. (MarkSpindler)

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Maybe these are just as good, or even better? Yeah, yeah… “flex, spring, etc.”

Point is, don’t make claims that aren’t true.

Stretch has a team rider who won a Maverick’s contests plus, his boards are here, now and completely US made.

http://www.stretchboards.com/boards/index.php?cat=5

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gday John

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Stretch has a team rider who won a Maverick’s contests plus, his boards are here, now and completely US made.

egads look at the price though.

that site claims they are the only ones doing wooded stringers

which is bs

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Because we use wooded stringers(something no one else does)we have dampened the flex characteristics of an epoxy to clearly match that of a polyester, which is a more suitable flex for a surfboard being that epoxy for most people are a little to extreme.

that blurb is pretty new to that website cuz i never noticed it 6 months ago

sounds like a familiar rap.

im sure the build process is different as well

one thing ive learned is there are so many ways to build a composite board

with so many different materials that it would be crazy to compare the two

also i cant see the point in claiming it flexes like a polyester

the whole point is to have a bord that flexes BETTER than a poylester

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The same… no

Comparable (IMO, in that he does make custom compsands commercially)… yes

To be honest, he’s the only one I can think of making commercial custom compsands, at least in the US. Firewires are still unavailable over here.

Price? I didn’t see any price other than “$000.00” (zero dollars) which to me means the price is based on whatever custom features are ordered. Maybe you contacted them for specifics? I have not.

I’d have to agree that the claim that “no one else” does wooded stringers is inaccurate. There are a few right here on Swaylocks doing wood stringer compsands. He might have meant stringers in commercial compsands in the US but that isn’t what he says if you quote him literally.

I’m under the impression that the flex is but one of several benefits of Bert’s compsand tech. Stronger and lighter being a couple of others. I suspect (but not positive) that since he’s been doing it for over 16 years, Stretch is pretty well versed in various individual tweaks. That he could tailor whatever kind of flex you wanted wouldn’t surprise me. He is doing kite boards, Tow boards, etc so he must have some pretty good understanding of material technology in the compsand field.

I’d be stoked to tour the facility and ask him a few questions. I’ve never met the guy but here I am trying to cover his ass! I guess it’s the least I can do since I posted the link to his site.

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I’m wondering if Firewire is going to keep Bert’s prices ($800 US? I forgot his price quotes) or going to match Stretch’s prices. Time will tell . . .

I have a question about Stretch’s deck channels but I don’t want to go off topic . . .

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i was told that there is a guy in dunedin whos been doing it for ages as well (well over ten years)

in fact the one i saw was around ten years old and like new

his boards are beautifull

native nz timbers and all

they are available for custom purchase.

i not trying to put down anyone.

bert said himself stretch was on to it and rated what he was doing.

(btw his quad shorty was listed at 1200US which is alot seen as the materials for one not including fin systems cost me 150US )

whats the rush any way. if any one really wants one just go and build one

its all in the archives after all.

its actually not that hard, id never built a board before and my first one turned out brilliant

i personaly wouldnt sell aboard to anyone that insulted me in a pubic forum

id say sorry mate

you just have to wait till one comes up second hand

i just think that bert and greg have given freely so much advice and knowledge

its a bit unfair the attacks made against them on this thread

all based on heresay and jealousy

as markspindler pointed out so colourfully.

its only was a shortime ago bert was still in WA

happily building a couple of boards a week and going surfing

and over the last year thing have gotten rolling.

and i personally think its for the good of surfers everywhere

who doesnt want a board that last a long time and you cant pressure dent with you fingers

no matter how you try.

anyone who dissed what greg has contributed to surfing and board builders is

just got tall poppy syndrome.

to say that he sold out was meant to be a polite insult(imho)

and it just doesnt sit well with me personaly

greg never said to me"ill only help you if you use my resin"

no

infact he always has given advice freely

having to endlessly repeat himself to DHeads

about this and that and acetone and blush etc etc

It astounds me those loosers cant do a google and get some basic knowledge on resins

and there properties., before they step up with Polite insults and dumb quetions.

hell its all there at the top of the menu as well

Otay was saying hes been hearing about it for two years which is bs as well.

bert was still in WA a year ago.

also every one who has followed berts posts carefully, understand why he made the change back to fcs.

i say to the knockers

say something constructive and positive

or even based on fact

or p off

by the way john this post is not directed at you personallly as you have my full respect.

and I can see you are fairly trying to be unbiased

and I know where your comming from.

u are questioning their motives

which is fair enough

i just dont think sways is the place to do it

especially after they have conbtributed so much

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[=1][=Black][ 2]“I’d have to agree that the claim that “no one else” does wooded stringers is inaccurate. There are a few right here on Swaylocks doing wood stringer compsands. He might have meant stringers in commercial compsands in the US but that isn’t what he says if you quote him literally.”[/][/][/]

I’ll bust myself on this one… did I mention Gary Young and CMP in Hawaii?

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What, are you guys asleep? I gotta bust myself on this one too?! I figured someone would have been all over this… looks like he has an entry level compsand as well. By Surftech no less.

[=1][=Black][ 2]“Stretch has a team rider who won a Maverick’s contests plus, his boards are here, now and completely US made.” [/][/][/]

http://www.surftech.com/shortboards.php?shaper=59&fullText=1

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Yes, But I believe he also hand makes a version called the" ultimates " in his shop.Thats what I was inclined to believe after talking to them.A funny twist to this is that the new model stretch quad that is featured in the pictures in surftechs asr show photos is not even a surftech but a prototype or concept model produced by stretch for the show.

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Hey John,

You’d probably like Stretch. He laminated(his shop) my very first shape. He didn’t laugh at my board, sat down and took the time to go over what I wanted(I had no idea), explained why he prefered Futures foils to FCS, then told me he had a lot of work to do, but I was welcome to watch. He was working on a Kite board. Classic guy. Tall and skinny with a big stogie in the side of his mouth. I’m happy to see him doing so well. I’m happy Bert and greg are doing well, too. Mike

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Bob Miller’s been making custom (domestic, handmade) compsands about the same length of time. Those are the proof-of-concept boards which then get shipped out…used to become his Boardworks models, now are Cobalts.

In 2004 when Bert started illustrating all the sandwich stuff, I went to see Bob who’d already made me pu/pe boards. He showed me his personal compsand, without saying much about it. It was greenish gray, 9’0", about 2" thick, about .5" thick in the tail with a whippy glasson, flat bottom & deck, clear glass so I could see seams everywhere (not that I knew what they were), and weighed less than 10 lb.

Sound familiar?

Bob got into that tech through sailboards. Along with SF Bay where Bob & Stretch are, I bet there are custom compsand guys in the Gorge and in France, and maybe Maui, (those 4 spots being the remaining wind sports centers) who’ve made their fair share of surfboards as well. Anthony or Cort Goin would probably know the Gorge guys…