your board looks really rad…, it’s funny when you extend the lines at the tail you end up with a classic 7’ round tail, so in a way it’s a 7’ foot pointbreaker with one foot chopped off…
curious to hear how it rides…
I too weigh 190…
What was Greg’s response when you ordered?
My most recent he had me get a 7’6" when I was thinking 7’4". Though I was wanting something dirty…
Can’t wait for feedback.
I emailed Greg about these stubbies regarding weight and the appropriate board size soon after i saw the two posted on this thread - at 150lb he was happy that i would get sufficient glide out of the 6’3 and that was enough for me to pay my money! He spoke about the boards and where the shape comes from - in fact i’ll copy and paste his email:
aloha michael…i had many request for shorter boards from many who
were used to typical tri fins etc…these outlines are more like the
some of the first of these shapes that we experimented with in the
early 70’s…but they have the more refined bottom shape as do the
other boards i make and not the extreme forward hull of the 70"s that
needed a lot of power to make them go…these should be to ride more
variety of waves but still might need to be manipulated more in a very
lined up point depending on the size of the rider…i have a customer
that at 190 lbs wants a 6’1" version…that to me is a painfull under
taking and the feeling of the glide of the longer boards will be
lost…i will not do a color on any direct order as i cannot
guarantee the outcome and the color in the glassing room mucks up the
tools…these were done on a whim…mahalo…greg
Having surfed the stubbie in different conditions i have quickly come to realise that at my weight if the swell is reasonable and above waist high then it goes great and no manipulation of the board is required, the second day i surfed it it was only knee to waist high and i had to work it - but on a board like this it is very easy to get it up to speed and once there it’s flying. I think with the extra volume Gregs put into the 6’1 it will fly in a decent wave no worries - as i said in a previous post they paddle well which helps a lot. One final thing is that the photos cannot possibly describe the full beauty of this particular board - in the pictures they look great, in the flesh - well - lets just say on the day mine arrived when i described it as the most beautiful thing i’d seen i should have made sure my wife was out of ear shot!
Thanks for the info…
Greg was fine with me when I asked for a shorter board. We exchanged a few emails about it and that was that.
He never expressed not wanting to make it for me; just that it was going to take a perfect wave with power to get her moving.
On that note went out for a couple hours at local sandy bottom point. About waist high with a few sets coming in a little
better, with the super crowded spring break circus going on. Got a couple nice ones. Paddles really well… had no trouble getting
into the small waves. I went a little further up the point, to a kink in the reef that was working. Two good waves there before
everyone else decided to follow me. SO fast, was able to get three or four bottom turns before it faded out; nice tight lines.
It seems like you could move faster, get more turns in if you want. Still trimmed fast when left alone. A+
I found it amazing how it found what little juice was there. There is a lack of glide when the wave softens.
Funny how words don’t seem to express a feeling…
Is the thread started? Please let me know when the hull get together is going to be. Thanks.
docgeorge,
Here is the new thread:
http://www.swaylocks.com/forum/gforum.cgi?do=post_view_flat;post=367450
Motif
thanks for the report. i’m glad you got what you wanted out of your new board. regardless of the fact that there is less glide in mushy slopers i’m sure that the merits are far more than equal on a decent wave.
thanks again for the feed
Q
Motif, did you have the side fins in–I’m guessing no? Have you any interest in trying it with drivey side fins only? I’m just wondering if you would be interested in seeing whether that would enhance the drive lost from the release in the outline. What do you weigh?
Have you a shot of the bottom from the nose and perhaps the tail?
EDIT: Just found this http://www.swaylocks.com/forum/gforum.cgi?post=91303;search_string=hulls;#91303
Way interesting. Search string was “hulls.”
I am setting all my search settings on this website to show 1500 hits per page–this was uncovered by setting it at 1500. The whole hull/Sways thing on one huge long page. Step back in time, back back back, when Matt Miller was “matt miller”
I just picked up the stringerless Spence and the Liddle belongs to my friend Saf who lives down the street. The Liddle is #1962. I don’t know the year. I just measured them and they are both 7’1.5" long on the deck side. They both have 15.5" tails measured on the deck. The Liddle nose is 18.75" and the Spence nose is 18.5". The Spence has less rocker but it’s designed to flex more on turns too (being stringerless). The Liddle has more hull depth and measures about 1.25" deep with a T-Square from stringer to rail. The Spence has 1" hull depth. Greg says he puts about 0.5" hull depth in his modern stock boards. Also the Spence is flat in the tail after the fin. The Liddle still has some hull the whole length.
I did not order the Spence to be a copy of this board but they just happen to be similar boards (I didn’t even see this Liddle until after I ordered the Spence). They are also different in a lot of ways too. Here are some pics for comparison:
Thanks Jim, I’ll plan to be there. I’ve got the 8’ Liddle and the 7’ Pescado, both with lots of planing area if it’s mushy or smaller, but rather a challenge to duck dive.
George
My favorite part of this picture is the Sailor Jerry box on the floor… Tasty stuff!
2 more of those 6’3’‘s on the way here. Shelter surfshop in Longbeach had a nice grand opening last night. Some nice art by Bojorquez in the gallery. And some nice boards ,3 new Klaus Jones HULLS and 1 Liddle and a Swiftmovement 6’ mini Simmons. Steve K did a nice installation on Bob Simmons ( it was his birthday yesterday). The shop is on a great street with COOL thrift shops and gallerys, stop by and check it.
sounds very worth checking out - thanks for the tip
I built this board quite a while back and the owner has been giving me pretty constant feedback since; so I thought it would be a perfect test-pilot for the keel-hull experimintation i’ve been on lately.
The board is a stretched velo template, hull bottom and s-deck, its a pretty stubby little stub.
My 6’7 of this board was at the AB3 if anyone saw it, I think this one will go even better as a twin than mine does (mines magic) because of the size and tail width.
The fins and lokboxes are in exchange for solid feedback, so I should get a pretty good feel for if Im really on the right track with this!
weird:
but somehow not out of place…
Wha? WHere are the side-on shots, Ryan! Dims? Rider reports!?
ive got a backlog of reports being ridden as a singlefin, but he hasnt even picked it up yet as a twin, so no dice on that yet, although from my own version of that board as a twin, it f*cking blows me away.
heres an older email from him, little bit long but you asked for it!
"It was perfect 3-5 from just inside the rivermouth. Absolutley picture perfect. I had my short board and the hull…so stoked I picked the hull. I got from the rivermouth all the way to the freeway in two waves, longest two waves of my life for sure.
I feel like I finally got the hull dialed. It was magic man, I can’t even tell you. Just cruising a little up from the middle with my feet close together, just pumping down the line. I figured out cutbacks and roundhouses too. The hull really flew when iIgot closer to the nose and as soon as the wave started to section I just put my foot back and started to pump. I never thought I would be able to hit the lip, but I found that sweet spot and got a couple nice shwacks and floaters. Coming back into the bowl after the floater was the fastest ive gone on a board in a long time."hoping for more feedback like that in the next few weeks.
so far for me, ive found that i have pretty unlimited freedom on the face of a wave with a twin setup, you can play with sections alot more and ride with some more “pep”…Its more up tempo and rideable for every day waves.
You can still bury the whole rail on a bottom turn, but not so much an a cutback, the tail is the sweetspot for that…its like a fish that rides like a hull down the line and likes to bury the whole rail…if that makes sense…
not so much projection down the line, but Im going to play with that on my next one (itll be a modded version of this template, w/a different tail)…im going to finish it for the hull get together…gonna try to experiment with super flexed out keels…no harm in trying!
hey ryan – another beautiful-looking board. i like the feed back too. interesting the part about not have as much projection as with a singlefin.
tomorrow i’m hitting the road for three days to go hit the Interior – will camp on an ensenada that’s full of sandbanks that are really working well now, and should be 6-8ft faces. I’m going to take my hull, fish, mat, and thruster and trade on and off. i rarely ever get to do this, so should be heaps of fun.
ooooooooh that sounds like fun!
the projection is just more up than out, so you can really smack the lip pretty well, but straight down the line speed is hindered.