Sunny Garcia Beatdown

The US never invaded Hawaii. Know your history.

Main article: Overthrow of the Kingdom of Hawaii

On January 14, 1893, envoy Stevens met with two other men concerned about American territorial interests in the Pacific. That night, Stevens and American-Hawaiian businessmen Sanford Dole[19] and Lorrin Thurston met to hatch "an audacious plot to overthrow Hawaii's Queen and bring her country into the United States," writesNew York Times reporter Stephen Kinzer in his book Overthrow.[20]

The immediate event which precipitated the meeting was Queen Lili'uokalani's attempt to promulgate a new constitution which would have restored many of the powers of the monarchy that existed prior to the forced promulgation of the "Bayonet Constitution" in 1887 that reduced the power of the Hawaiian monarch and rescinded voting rights to much of the population. The Queen's cabinet refused to go along with the planned new constitution, and Queen Liliʻuokalani temporarily yielded. But to the ardent Annexationists the volatile situation provided an opportunity that they seized. The Annexation Club morphed into a Committee of Safety; it shepherded documents drafted to establish a provisional government.

The Committee of Safety expressed concern for the safety and property of American residents in Honolulu. Minister Stevens, advised about these supposed threats to non-combatant American lives and property[21] by the Committee of Safety, obliged their request and summoned a company of uniformed U.S. Marines from the Bostonand two companies of U.S. sailors to land on the Kingdom and take up positions in strategic locations in Honolulu on the afternoon of January 16, 1893. 162 sailors andMarines aboard the Boston came ashore well-armed but under orders of neutrality. They were positioned around Royal residences and Hawaiian government installations, not around United States citizens' quarters. Having observed the troops' march up the street, the Queen was heard to remark that the Marines were finishing what the "missionaries" started.[22][23] The presence of the Marines served effectively in intimidating royalist defenders. Historian William Russ states, "the injunction to prevent fighting of any kind made it impossible for the monarchy to protect itself."[24] Due to the Queen's desire "to avoid any collision of armed forces, and perhaps the loss of life" for her subjects and after some deliberation, at the urging of advisers and friends, the Queen ordered her forces to surrender. The Honolulu Rifles took over government buildings, disarmed the Royal Guard, and declared a Provisional Government.

Minister Stevens recognized the new government, giving his blessing on behalf of the United States Department of State, and commissioners were immediately dispatched to Washington to request that Hawaii be annexed by the United States. On February 9, 1893, Stevens acted preemptively, establishing a protectorate pending negotiations for annexation. On February 16, President Harrison sent a message to the Senate, formally requesting annexation of the Hawaiian kingdom.

But President Cleveland, immediately following his inauguration, sent a message to the Senate, canceling all further talk of annexation. He then sent a commissioner to the Islands to assess the situation, who reported that the newly-established protectorate be withdrawn as unnecessary. Envoy Stevens immediately resigned and returned to Maine, where he spent his time in public denunciation of the new administration's Hawaiian policy.[25]

The Blount Report commissioned by President Grover Cleveland was submitted on July 17, 1893 and found Stevens guilty of inappropriate conduct in support of the conspiracy to overthrow Hawaii's Queen. Answering the charges from his Augusta, Maine, home, Stevens supplied his rationale: the Queen was immoral, and so needed to be dethroned.[26] The later Morgan investigation conducted by the U.S. Congress, which led to the Morgan Report on February 26, 1894 found Stevens and other U.S. agents not guilty, after which Cleveland abandoned the matter because of lack of Congressional support. Both the Blount and Morgan Reports are cited by partisans on both sides to support their claims about the legitimacy or lack thereof of the overthrow.

In 1993, Congress passed and the President signed an Apology Resolution apologizing for the overthrow of the Kingdom of Hawaii a century before. Based on the Blount Report and other historical analyses[27] [28], the Resolution subsequently became a touchstone in the cultural and political identification of many native Hawaiians.

 

Garcia, Gomez, Lopez, etc.

All of them Spanish last-names.

As was pointed out above, several times during the 1st half of the 20th century there were significant migrations of peope from Puerto Rico to work the Hawaiian pineapple and sugar cane. Puerto Ricans had a good, long experience in making these crops grow good in our land, AND they were pretty economic field-hands for the capitalistic landlords. Also the striking similarities in climate and ecosystem...

Actually, in some of those boats and in some of the pineapple and other crops transplanted from Puerto Rico to Hawaii must have traveled along our Caribbean amphibian called the "coqui" (because that is the sound it makes when it sings at night). I have heard that in Hawaii some people consider them a plague. I'm sure Puerto Ricans in Hawaii find a welcome reminder of home when they hear the coquis singing at night.

So, Garcia, Gomez, Lopez, etc..... all of them quite possibly descendants of Puerto Rican agriculture workers who emigrated to Hawaii decades ago.

 

castrillo

And as for Sunny Garcia not being Hawaiian....

Am I less Puerto Rican because 8 or 9 generations ago my antecedents lived in Spain?

In Puerto Rico we have Dylan Graves and Brian Toth, children of USA Anglo-Saxon surfers, but born and raised in Puerto Rico.

They compete internationally as Puerto Ricans.

Are they Puerto Ricans?

In my book they are, just as the first one of my antecedents born and raised in PR was Puerto Rican.

Actually, I am a PlanetEarthian first of all, just like most of you.

 

castrillo 

Thanks for the history lesson… seriously. It’s enlightening.

As far as the indian folks… they’re not extinct, just come up to where I live and go to the casino. They are some of the richest folk in the valley. They’ve also done well in a lot of other locations.  Souvereign Nation stuff is a gr8 loop hole.

Here are a few other bytes:

I go left when the right is good, and right when the left is on… Simon Anderson. And he’s a big guy.

“Don’t worry be happy”… popular song that should be played daily instead of forgotten.

“Time waits for no one” lyrics to another song to keep us all honest.

I remember back in the day a few effective ways to express one’s displeasure with someone in the water. One was violent in a non violent sorta way…

This haole was shoulder opping people at Jocko’s, and a local guy paddled up and pushed the guy off his board, then he flipped it over, and did a straight arm thrust into the guy’s side fin and snapped it off his board. 

Then he looked at him and said “you’re done here”.

here's a old saying,"guns don't kill people................but it sure makes it alot easier!".

 

 

this is where sunny is heading............

 

you know, .................the person you should never mess with..............

if you look for trouble.................trouble will smash you like an ant.

i've seen tuff people come..................and i've seen them go out like a chewed up piece of discarded gum.

and .......oh ya............i've seen it at least a 100 times in my life.

herb

This is the kind of bullshit that we have been enduring since the American Sugar barons with the help of US troops forced Hawaii to become a part of the US. There are better records of what happened, but the US needs Hawaii so the truth will always be what the US wants everyone to believe. Same for why we have US troops dying in the Middle East, we’ll never know the real reason.

Sonny Garcia does not represent the good side of Hawaiian people. He never did, he was always a problem child. But he grew up were you have to be strong and not let people push you around. Not everyone coming from this background end up like he did, but many have. There’s a movie about the Santa Cruz west siders, and there’s the movies about the Bra Boys. It’s all the same.

What about the kid from Hawaii who was killed in San Diego by that gang of surfers?

 

sunny should be banned from pro surfing for life. if his son started something(and some accounts have it he was) he should have been left alone to get himself out of it. 16 ain't exactly a child. when we were 14-17 years old we got schooled in water by the elders whenever we needed it-including a smack  down or two (more if you were a slow learner)- and not a word was said.usually  our dads would find out and ask if we learned anything and then laugh(everybody knew each other in this town back then). bottom line-sunny had no visible excuse to join in on the skirmish between the oz and frenchman....

Never had a problem with Sunny, met him when he was 16, and still with Straight Up, and always cool at CI and it was kind of funny he could ride for Al and Nev at the same time.  He’s an incredible talent,  a casualty of corporate surfing, that is only there when an athlete is marketable.  I am not seeing many of the corporate types instilling values into their surfers.  Yeah, they’re lost.  Hey anyone wondering where AI got all the bad stuff from?

Seems you guys may be a little harsh on Sunny this time.  I certainly do not claim to no all the details, but it looks like he was trying to protect his kid.  As Kokua said those are traditional Hawaiian family values.

Oh, Tony Lion’s history lesson is a bit factually incorrect.  Puerto Rico, Cuba, Guam, and the Phillipines were the spoils of the Spanish-American war of 1898. and these lands were never recognized as independent.  American intervention in Hawaii is and was completely different, for it was an internationally recognized sovereign monarchy.  Now you can see how well my history degrees have paid off.  American expansionism, sometime military, but especially market expansionism can explain how our country has developed along a timeline.  American foreign policy is like making sausage, a bit bloody, but in the end a pretty good product.

Sausage??? A pretty good product for who? "Unitedstatians" Oh sorry, that word doesn't exist, they call themselves Americans... as if North, Central and South America didn't exist... hmm ever wonder why the word "unitedstatians" doesn't exist? North Americans? What about Canada and Mexico, aren't they in North America too??? Geography lesson with a little linguistics...

Yes, I was wrong about the Hawaii date of "overthrowing of the monarchy" sorry for confusing such a pretty term for the dreaded word "invasion". If you are Historically inclined, do a little research and you will see that PR was given autonomy from Spain and it lasted for... well about a day. The U.S saw a great chance to help us poor colonized puertorricans and well, make some money while they are at it. The U.S and well any other country that goes into another one does not go for charity, it goes for plain ol economic or military interest.

Since PR is of no really major interest in the present to the U.S we will never gain statehood or the right to vote for president, although the capital that is produced here goes back to benefit the U.S. We have citizenship, we pay federal taxes but we can't vote for president... yes people, colonialism in the 21st century... Anyway the U.S is finding better and cheaper business in other undeveloped countries so the pharmaceutical companies are moving away from PR just because the puertorican government decided to tax them for all the money they are making.  Ohh but the U.S provides jobs for the people and wellfare and what ever helps keep us ignorant and lazy...

Yea, when the U.S came to Hawaii it was somewhat similar to when the spaniards invaded the Taino nation. They had better weapons and the excuse was, oh these people are not christians and the don't have a similar goverment to ours, oh dear they are polytheistic nude nature worshipers, how can this be!!!

Now my atheist parrot is getting angry!

TonyLion Don’t confuse my pointing out some historical minutia for not feeling your pain. And there definite shared experiences between, Hawaii, and Puerto Rico, in terms of occupation. Off the top of my head the seminal work by Alfred Thayer Mahan 1890 work, “The Influence of Sea Power upon HIstory”, outlines why American expansionism became strategically expedient, at the end of the 19th century. I am not saying it was right, but counterfactually, it could have been much worse. TR recognized this and also saw rising of the red sun, and that factored into his geopolitical strategies. Good thing he did, but that doesn’t mean everything he did was right. Effectual use of American power has its benefits for both Hawaiians, and Puerto Ricans, but it does not come without cost, and it does not mean there are not things to still be redressed. I am not a big Obama fan, but all things considered, he spent a good time of his youth in Hawaii, and even whom he ran against in the last presidential election, John McCain was born in Panama. That is significant. Maybe someday there will be a Puerto Rican president, I don’t know, but I do know that the surfboards almost everyone is riding were made with materials that first found its use in US defense industries.

FREE SONNY

Who is this Sonny guy you keep talking about?

This thread is about Sunny. Please keep it on topic.

Spellcheck police!!!!

 

"YO MUTHA F*CKA GIT YO F(CKEN HANS OFFA THAT MUTHA FUCK&EN KEEBORD OR I PUMP YO HED FULLO LED BICH"

Aloha and sorry for the hijack...

and like one wierd kid once said on youtube about Britney:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHmvkRoEowc

"Leave Sunny alone!!!

Jail time. Sunny was deliberately holding this guys head underwater. Some would call this attempted murder.

    Howzit billy, As the time has passed the 100% hawaiian population has decreased a lot and there are only a few 100% hawaiian families left and most probably live on Nihihau. It sued to be that in order to keep a hawaiian homestead lt in the family there heirs ahd to be at least 50% Hawaiian but a few years ago they changed it to 25% because a lot of heirs were losing the family property because their mom or dad married a non or only slightly hawaiian and diluted the blood line. I knew some that I thought were 100% but it turned out they were only about 80% at the most and alot are way less than that. There also are a lot of people that look like they are Hawaiian and they are Tahitian or even from MIcronesia. There are polynesians but that doesn't neccessarly mean Hawaiian. Aloha,Kokua

      Were you the guy that made the same statement when I first posted? Are you stalking me? Because I wondered why you didn't say anything while this thing burnt on two fronts. I will tell you why this is allowed. If this forum stuck only to surfboard design and not surfing in general, it would die a slow death. This story is surfing news, front page at the moment. I don't know of any recent surfboard design that would make a local paper, let alone world news, so if you have some ground breaking surfboard design news , please put it on your own thread and lets get stuck into it. cheers H. ps thats why it's called general discussion.

http://surfinglife.com.au/news/asl-news/5939-7000-fightin-words

 

Sheds a little light on the subject. Not 100% conclusive, but it seems stone didn't have a lot to do with it.

 

 

Holy cow - the 16 year old son is built like a brinks truck!  Your wave, brah!

       Well there it is folks.

           I was the one who originally posted the thread on here, I got that so wrong, just a glimpse of the news, I thought Sunny and Jeremy were in a fight, silly me. They moved it, I deleted it and have watched these threads since, without commenting. Two things I thought of, after going to Hawaii 3 times early on [ I never had a problem] and hearing about the heaviness and knowing what some of them taught the Balinese. There, we as Haoles aren't supposed to look side ways , let alone doush on, imagine if the reverse happened.

           The other one is and I just saw the proof. Do you know how big some 16 year olds are now? I have been knocked out by one a long time ago and they are bigger now. There is no way Sunny's boy was in any danger and Jeremy was solidifying his spot on the North Shore, that's what I think, as far as the photoghrapher, well, the hands have been shaken, the dough slipped and just remember Coby and Johnny Boy, it goes around, H. ps the local guys sitting on assualt charges would be feeling pissed off.

not to make small fry of sunny’s huge kid, but size wouldn’t matter in a fight if he didn’t have the skills nor the willingness to fight, especially if he wasn’t involved to begin with.

frail old arnis/escrima grandmasters setting foot in NY in the '70s were said to hang out in subways and park benches after dark to see whether local thugs would make the mistake of picking on them because of how they looked. when asked by their hosts where they’d been, the reply was ‘just went out for a warm-up’

cheers,